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Posted by Alan J. Flavell on 05/28/06 16:54
On Sun, 28 May 2006, Randy Webb wrote:
> Alan J. Flavell said the following on 5/28/2006 6:48 AM:
> > On Sun, 28 May 2006, Randy Webb wrote:
> >
> > > Who still supports outdated antiquated software other than IE6?
> >
> > Many older browser/versions are still quite capable of browsing
> > the content of decently-made web pages, even if they don't produce
> > the cosmetic results which modern browsers could achieve.
>
> Plain text has that effect...
Congratulations, you've just produced yet another slight variation on
the HTML Straw Man Arguments, that have been refuted repeatedly over
the years. Do *try* to get up to speed before arguing, please.
> Let me ask you this though, do you still support Netscape 4?
I've still got a copy installed, and I would fire it up if someone
complained about the results on an otherwise non-challenging page.
Haven't *needed* to do that for quite some time.
I hide my stylesheet from it, so it doesn't get a chance to mess up
the CSS. If I was "supporting" it, I could feed it a custom
stylesheet to improve its cosmetics, but I don't - its users still get
the content (text, images, and other media) as intended, i.e using its
default styling. Is that "support", or isn't it? You decide.
My demonstration page of "simple Ruby annotation", which is meant to
be a significant challenge to browsers, does exactly what it's
designed to do on non-capable browsers, which includes NN4. We call
that sort of thing "graceful fallback".
NN4's support for i18n forms submission is miserable, and I make no
effort to work-around its bugs in that regard. But if folks submit
us-ascii data, it'll be processed correctly, and that's all that the
formal specifications say you're entitled to rely on.
Does that answer your question?
> Technology evolves and those who choose to stay in the dark ages
> deserve to stay in the dark.
Graceful fallback is there for other reasons, but it does have the
useful consequence of appearing to support these older browsers, even
though it doesn't normally need extra work.
At least, NN4, shielded from CSS, will display all of my content in a
way that anyone can access it. IE6, if allowed to process CSS, is
quite likely to prevent the reader from accessing all of the content
(you'll know for example about the "peekaboo bug"?).
> > But what on Earth do you think that question has got to do with
> > the topic of this thread - the appropriate choice of text size
> > units for web pages?
>
> The same thing that topic has to do with Javascript and
> comp.lang.javascript where I am reading it from.
So you had enough wit to complain about a cross-posted article, but
not enough to set narrowed followups? I guess that figures.
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