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Posted by Kevin Scholl on 09/13/06 00:09

Runnin' on Empty wrote:
> "David Segall" <david@address.invalid> wrote in message
> news:3r8dg2tmsja96nueqsl6ls2e97vqdf5ck8@4ax.com...
>> "Runnin' on Empty" <westfork59840@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "Smed" <gsx1300r_busa@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:rZiNg.1484$Y73.212@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>>> what editors would you recommend?..
>>>>
>>>> -s
>>>
>>> Homesite+
>>>
>>> It comes packaged with Dreamweaver, but it's a separate install.
>> If you have already paid for Dreamweaver why do you prefer Homesite?
>
> I (the company I work for, actually) purchases all my products in bundles
> and suites, I may only use some of the software once or twice a year, but
> when it's needed, we'd better have it.
>
> I do notice that Adobe is selling Homesite+ on it's own for only $99.00,
> what a deal, it used to be $600.00.
>
>
> Why is Homesite better than Dreamweaver?

For all intents and purposes, code view in the most ecent versions of
Dreamweaver is essentially Homesite+. Note...

> From a code only standpoint, Dreamweaver blows... macromedia tried to
> incorporate some of the better features of Homesite into it for coders, but
> it's still too cluttered and awkward to use for my tastes.
>
> Once set up to your coding pref's Homesite is extremely fast for coding
> HTML, CFML, PHP, and even ASP (although I don't use it), not so helpful for
> CSS.
>
> But that's not an issue, since a style sheet is the smallest part (as far as
> volume) of the code.
>
> First of all, the color coding does two things for you, it separates our
> markup code from the dynamic code, (in mine HTML is green, CFML is brown and
> PHP is gray), make it fast to find blocks of troublesome code.
>
> This also helps if you typo'd a quotation mark, bracket or something, if the
> code is not well formed, all the color coding skews, giving you a quick
> heads up to start looking for the problem.
>
> Secondly, with auto fill and code hint set to 0 seconds, I don't actually
> have to type out entire tags or scripts to complete, for code that you use
> all the time, it's a great time saver, to hit the left bracket key, the
> first 3 or 4 elements of the tag, and then when you know (from experience)
> the code hint selector is on the right block, hit the enter key and
> complete.

....that all of the things you just mentioned as points that make
Homesite+ better than Dreamweaver, are all present in Dreamweaver as well.

> You still have to know how to code, but once you are familiar with how these
> two features works, your fingers can fly, and the code comes spitting out.
>
> You can code a whole page in much less time than without it.
>
> It even has a WYSIWYG side, but I've never used it and wouldn't know how it
> compares to Dreamweaver, which I do know is miles ahead of Golive or
> Frontpage.

True.

> As far as WYSIWYG code goes, I often have to modify code created in WYSIWYG
> editors by both good and bad designers.
>
> Dreamweaver is not actually that bad in code generation, but I shudder every
> time I have to dig through that ugly, bloated crap that FrontPage or MS Word
> creates, it's usually faster to just start over from scratch, which is
> probably an intended feature from MS and not a shortcoming (from their
> standpoint).

Five minutes in the Preferences of Dreamweaver, and the (X)HTML code it
generates in WYSIWYG mode is darn near as clean as hand coding. The
server-side coding is not as strong, but still not as bad compared to
the others. That said, while I AM a Dreamweaver user, I spend probably
80-90% of my time in code view.

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