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Posted by David Segall on 04/04/07 14:25
Gérard Talbot <newsblahgroup@gtalbot.org> wrote:
>Schizan wrote :
>> what size is the area for webcontent in IE on XP when you have a
>> maximized window whithout the statusfield, adressbar and
>> navigationbuttons etc.
>> The screenresolution is 1024 x 768
>>
>> Thankyou
>> Llonas
>
>IE 7 users can force the presence of the address bar, IE 6 SP2 users can
>force the presence of the status bar. For usability and accessibility
>reasons, all IE6+ users can customize the width/height of scrollbars,
>window borders, height of titlebar, etc.. There is no reliable way to
>figure out the content area before actually loading a document. And it
>is foolish and wrong to try to design according to a precise, defined
>area since window can be resized, toolbars can be added or removed,
>etc.. Best policy is to design in a flexible manner, with scalable,
>fluid design.
>
>Liquid Web Design: Build it right and it will work no matter what the
>container.
>http://www.digital-web.com/articles/liquid_web_design/
I find it extraordinary that anybody can argue in favour of "build it
right and it will work no matter what the container" and fail to
produce a single web site that meets that specification. The
referenced web site is designed for 800x600 and shows nothing but
white space on the right of even a 1024x768 screen. Two of the three
sites that Digital Web admire as "liquid design"
<http://www.builder.com> and <http://www.falkondesign.com> are 800x600
layouts centered in the screen to distribute the white space on both
sides. The third example <http://www.alistapart.com/stories/noblue/>
no longer exists but their error page is strictly 1024x768.
>Alt.html FAQ
>What is flexible, fluid or liquid design?
>http://www.html-faq.com/webdesign/?flexibledesign
At least this site does practice what it preaches however, on my "wide
screen" monitor, their solution to the problem leaves the bottom half
of the screen blank. I don't think this is any better than leaving the
right hand side blank. Of the four sites they reference only one
<http://www.webtechniques.com/archives/1999/10/desi/> attempts "fluid
design" and it illustrates why the concept fails. The text is far too
wide to read comfortably and the menu at the top of the page is
designed exclusively for a 1024 pixel wide monitor.
>
>Alt.html FAQ
>What are the disadvantages of fixed-width design?
>http://www.html-faq.com/webdesign/?fixedwidth
>
>WDG Web Authoring FAQ: Web Design
>For what screen size should I write?
>http://htmlhelp.com/faq/html/design.html#screen-size
These two both use the full width of the screen but neither are
satisfactory at the relatively modest "extremes" of 800x600 and
1680x1050 that I have used to test them. Their is ample evidence that
there is a comfortable width for a line of text and the print media
solve the problem by using columns. There is no comparable browser
compatible solution that fits within a strict topic definition of this
Usenet group.
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