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Posted by Jerry Stuckle on 08/13/07 15:03
Pavel Lepin wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote in
> <4-6dncfVZPDU_13bnZ2dnUVZ_rDinZ2d@comcast.com>:
>> Pavel Lepin wrote:
>>> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote in
>>> <Goydnb86ofrT1l3bnZ2dnUVZ_jmdnZ2d@comcast.com>:
>>>> Pavel Lepin wrote:
>>>>> David Gillen <Belial@RedBrick.DCU.IE> wrote in
>>>>> <slrnfc0dq2.h3v.Belial@murphy.redbrick.dcu.ie>:
>>>>>> Godfather said:
>>>>>>> Please Show me the best way to learn PHP in 1 week.I
>>>>>>> want to manage a group of PHP Programmers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> You don't need to know any PHP to be a manager. In
>>>>>> fact I think most programmers would prefer it if their
>>>>>> manager didn't think they knew how to code.
>>>>> I must disagree. The best project manager I've ever
>>>>> worked under was actually a very capable programmer
>>>>> himself--and that showed. On the other hand, he also
>>>>> was extremely good at refraining from backseat driving,
>>>>> so there is something to the idea that good managers
>>>>> don't tinker with gizmos and whatchamacallits, no
>>>>> matter how good or bad at tinkering they are.
>>>> A project manager needs to know the languages involved.
>>>> A manager is an administrative person and needs much
>>>> less technical knowledge.
>>> I'm fairly certain the OP was talking about a project
>>> manager/team leader position, though. Real pointy-haireds
>>> don't manage PHP programmers IME, they manage 'stuff'.
>> I just took him at his word when he said he was going to
>> manage programmers.
>
> By your reasoning he's aspiring to be a 'programmer
> manager', not a 'manager', since managers wouldn't manage
> anyone or anything in particular; they would manage
> intransitively, just for the heck of it (and that's pretty
> much what I said anyway).
>
>> Project managers generally manage projects.
>
> Probably a misnomer. I don't believe guinea pigs have
> anything to do with Guinea. Or pigs. Seriously though, I'm
> not sure what the general practices in this respect are,
> but from my experience project managers manage projects,
> programmers, various other allocated resources, customer
> communications and whatever else might be in the way of
> their fanatical devotion to the Pope; while senior-level
> managers, those that go without additional qualifiers in
> front of their M.'s, tend to just keep an eye on everything
> unless things start looking really grim, in which case they
> just invoke their built-in
> Yell-Cut-Fire-Downsize-Pass-Buck-Cover-Ass module.
>
Well, I've been doing project management for close to 20 years. Most of
that time it's been as a consultant, and I managed the project - not the
people. Sure, I had some input on who worked on the projects, their
performance evaluations, etc. But I was not responsible for their final
evaluations, their paycheck, etc. I could request someone be removed
from a project, but I could not fire them. There were managers to do that.
And even when I was employed as a Project Manager, it was to manage the
project, not the personnel.
Some of the managers had programming experience. I tried to stay away
from them :-). But the best were the ones who had the people experience.
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