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Posted by dorayme on 09/06/07 08:29
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<Xns99A2DB774E045nanopandaneredbojias@198.186.190.161>,
Neredbojias <monstersquasher@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 04 Sep 2007 21:11:57
> GMT dorayme scribed:
>
> >> I rather agree although I'd say the distinction between styling and
> >> layout is the issue. Layout is required; styling technically isn't,
> >> but paint on a car...
> >
> > The distinction between styling and layout is not quite "the'
> > issue when it comes to the question about style and meaning
> > generally. When style is spoken of in the context of these
> > matters, it is almost always meant to include both colouring,
> > sizing, and yes, positioning and layout too. And quite rightly
> > for most purposes.
> >
> > An example of where layout is *obviously* crucial to meaning is a
> > tabular table. A table is a good example of where how something
> > is laid out determines its meaning. Once the basic
> > meaning-related layout is achieved (greatly assisted by built in
> > HTML table magic), there comes a time for the *stylistic*
> > enhancements like colours, types of fonts, border types,
> > background colours and so on. But it is not a clear cut thing. If
> > you look at a table of atomic elements, you will see that some of
> > the styling, especially background colours, play a more than mere
> > optional role. These more than optional roles are where the
> > blurring occurs. It is often quite difficult to think up ways to
> > communicate things without the help of style.
> >
> > Another way to look at it is this. There is a built in styling
> > (and I am not talking about default values, paras indented just
> > so so) to writing html itself. The order of the paras are
> > important to meaning. You can't be messing too much with classes
> > and positioning here otherwise you will change the meaning of the
> > whole, or confuse it. A list, visually, naturally, goes down the
> > page in the order it is written. It does not change the meaning
> > much if it is put inline. But there are constraints, you can't do
> > just anything in css without affecting the meaning communicated.
> >
> > There is sometimes more than a marriage of convenience between
> > HTML and CSS, sometimes it is a holy union. Its sanctity is only
> > obscured by the triviality of so much that passes by on the
> > internet.
> >
> > The best thing that any author can do is create create html that
> > can stand on its own as much as possible. That means it will mean
> > as much as what the author wants to convey as possible on its
> > very own. Then it is time to hitch up. The marriage will be all
> > the more successful, the more independent the html is in the
> > first place. But that does not mean that the marriage *merely*
> > enhances the meaning.
>
> <Yawn>
I have always suspected that there is only one really good and
entertaining way to deal with you that would not make you cease
yawning so: to send Officer White around to have a little word.
Actually, I have asked him to come and beat me up afterwards
after he has dealt with you - after I discovered myself yawning
at the above. Or maybe it is just the boozy afternoon that i have
had with Bush and Putin. Bush is a bit prissy (his wife was
watching us), but my god, that Putin can drink! I will tell you
the jokes we three shared one day.
--
dorayme
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