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Posted by Jerry Stuckle on 09/18/07 22:00
Shelly wrote:
> "Jerry Stuckle" <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:jtOdnUEcBZMqYXLbnZ2dnUVZ_vyinZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Shelly wrote:
>>> "Steve" <no.one@example.com> wrote in message
>>> news:gfPHi.28$zy3.22@newsfe02.lga...
>>>>> And BTW - atheism is a religion, also. This is conveniently
>>>>> "overlooked" by those espousing it in the name of "freedom". But many
>>>>> atheists are trying to force their religion on the rest of the country.
>>>> if you're not an atheist, don't presume to know what it is outside of a
>>>> proper dictionary definition.
>>>>
>>>> atheism is the lack of belief in god or gods.
>>> Sorry, Steve, but you have to give the devil his due here. From
>>> www.m-w.com
>>>
>>> Main Entry: athe·ism
>>> Pronunciation: 'A-thE-"i-z&m
>>> Function: noun
>>> Etymology: Middle French athéisme, from athée atheist, from Greek atheos
>>> godless, from a- + theos god
>>> 1 archaic : UNGODLINESS, WICKEDNESS
>>> 2 a : a disbelief in the existence of deity b : the doctrine that there
>>> is no deity
>>>
>>> To me those are declarative statements and not passive ones. It is a
>>> "disbelief" rather than a "lack of belief". Also, when you mix
>>> "doctrine" with theology you have "religion".
>>>
>>> The point though that Jerry is trying to make is totally wrong, however.
>>> Having an atheist in there, and not allowing mixing of standard religion
>>> with politics is NOT forcing the "religion" of atheism on anyone.
>>> Everyone is free to believe and practice as they wish -- just not mix it
>>> into politics. My earlier statement of the flourishing of religion in
>>> the USA **BECAUSE** of the separation and freedom goes to that point.
>>>
>> I'm not saying there has to be a mix of religion and politics. But I am
>> saying the President is also a citizen, and welcome to practice his
>> beliefs.
>
> ...and noone is agruing against that point.
>
>> Personally, I would rather have a President with certain moral values
>> which are taught by religion. He could be Christian (my belief),
>
> ...and they are taught by society as well.
>
I never said they weren't.
>> Jewish, Muslim or any of a number of different religions which share those
>> same core values. I'm not saying I would not vote for an atheist, but it
>> is one of the things I take into consideration when looking at candidates.
>
> Well, do what you want (obviously) and you if you take such irrelevencies as
> being religious into account you may well get stuck again with crap like we
> have now in office.
>
Oh, you mean the first president we've had since 1992 who has any balls?
>> Not to say all people who are religious follow those values - take
>
> You got that one right! The list in interminable of such hypocrites.
>
>> Clinton for example - getting caught with his pants down (literally).
>
> He disgraced the office with his sexual behavior. Otherwise, he was an
> excellent president. We had prosperity and low inflation. We were at
> peace. He put in that wonderful excemption for the profits (largely due to
> infaltion) on the sale of your primary home. He failed on health care. All
> in all, he was pretty good. I voted for him once and against him once. I'd
> take him again in a heartbeat over the power maniac in office now who has
> sent over 3,000 young Americans to their deaths in a war that can't be won
> and for an ever-shifting raison d'etre.
>
ROFLMAO! I couldn't begin to list the things he screwed up.
>> That is something that I, as a Christian, have never done and will never
>> do, and I find that behavior abhorrent. My values are higher than that.
>
> You are still a virgin? (Sorry, couldn't resist that one. I understand
> what you meant to say).
>
> Shelly
>
>
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