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Posted by SpaceGirl on 10/09/07 18:45
Jonathan N. Little wrote:
> SpaceGirl wrote:
>> Jonathan N. Little wrote:
>>
>>> You keep saying this, talk is cheap. If the content is basically text
>>> using Flash appears not to add value but lend to complications in
>>> bandwidth (maybe not the initial download but the bottom line time to
>>> display) and versatility for user accessibility unless carefully
>>> engineered by the flash designer (although I have jet to witness an
>>> example of this too)
>>
>> You are ignoring the user experience. This can be as important as your
>> content, if not MORE important, depending on the context.
>
> It ain't an experience (or at least a good one) if one cannot access it!
>
> Adobe's own example...
>
> http://www.adobe.com/products/flashpaper/examples/
> Macromedia - FlashPaper 2 : Examples
>
> 1) Opera's screen reader gives me a "Sorry I Do Not Understand" when
> selecting this "FlashPaper" for reading so I can only assume a screen
> reader will also fail...have to have Chad check it I think he has Jaws...
Please do, it works.
There's also an Adobe paper on it:
http://blogs.adobe.com/accessibility/2006/08/moving_screen_reader_focus_in.html
This was pre Flash 9 of course.
> 2) The lousy, 2.5kb of text took a noticeable time to load, yes I know I
> am slow with dialup, but why would I wish to add the overhead? Just to
> preserve the 3 columns?
Because FP does something else. But you're being closed minded again.
Yes there is an overhead, but there are lots of benefits that outweigh
the marginal overhead.... but I'm tired of spelling everything out,
you'll come up with some other reason Why It Is Bad :)
>
> 3) Relates to #2. The damn page is just like an image of a piece of
> paper. That's the problem the web is not paper.
Says who? You? So, you are forcing YOUR limited view of what you think
the web should be on everyone else? I think finally we get to the heart
of the issue.
> Zoom is not equal to
> increasing the font. If the view port is small you find yourself
> up-down-right-left jocking around a peep hole.
Same question: PDF? Word documents? Excel documents? Movie files?
> 4) In the zooming process I do not see the text as clearly as the
> regular text of the surrounding HTML. I appears like a bit mapped image
> of a page....
IYO I guess. It looks smooth to me.
>> Also, once again, Flash IS ACCESSIBLE. It can be screen read, it
>> supports CSS and tagging (as in alternative), plus it's a
>> presentational layer. You may as well accuse MPEG movies, or JPEG
>> images of being inaccessible. It's all about HOW it's used.
>
> Only if you build one of those nasty Adobe GoLive image slice sites! (In
> all fairness GoLive is not the only "WebEditor" to create such sites,
> but when you stumble upon one, peeking at the source usually reveals the
> culprit.
?!
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