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Posted by 1001 Webs on 11/05/07 20:04
On Nov 5, 5:22 pm, Kevin <kevinlen...@lakeareawebs.com> wrote:
> On Nov 4, 6:16 pm, dorayme <doraymeRidT...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
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> > In article <4uCdnaAAs5pvqLDanZ2dnUVZ_qXin...@comcast.com>,
> > Jerry Stuckle <jstuck...@attglobal.net> wrote:
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> > > dorayme wrote:
> > > > In article <nIadnR_KOZMCgLDanZ2dnUVZ_v2pn...@comcast.com>,
> > > > Jerry Stuckle <jstuck...@attglobal.net> wrote:
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> > > >> Tables cannot really be
> > > >> fluid.
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> > > > You have said this twice now but have not indicated what you
> > > > mean. A table of tabular data can be very fluid or it can be not
> > > > very fluid (because of poor design and the use of fixed widths
> > > > etc). So what does it mean to say "cannot be really fluid"?
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> > > Let's see you wrap data in a table around a picture, for instance.
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> > Data? Around a picture? In a table? What will it prove to show
> > text flowing around a pic in a table cell? If I can show you a
> > table with a cell that has a pic in it with text flowing around
> > it, will you then give up saying that "tables cannot really be
> > fluid"? Are you just going to use the word "really" as a licence
> > never to revise your statement and just keep hinting at its truth
> > instead of enlarging on it so that what *you* mean is clearer?
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> > Just for the record, I do not think it is a good idea in general
> > these days to be using tables for making new pages (using them
> > for tabular data is another matter of course).
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> > --
> > dorayme
>
> In response to the original posters questions and thoughts I believe
> that it is in fact not the death of HTML as the W3C has just finished
> gatharing a group of people together to work on a new update above the
> HTML 4.01 that is the latest standard release of it. However, One of
> the key engineers of Microsoft Internet Explorer is in a lead position
> on that project. That could be a very bad thing considering that
> Microsoft has publicly stated that their browser will Never Support
> the mime type of application-xml . That being said Internet Explorer
> will not support XHTML in the way it was created to be used it will
> only change the mime type over to text/html which removes any of the
> xml abilities from it.
>
> As far as tables go you should still be using tables in your HTML
> however only for tabular data or displaying of a chart or table and
> not for other positioning. There is no reason to nest tables any
> longer nor is there a reason to use tables to position images or even
> blocks of text in appealing ways on a web page. Many of the elements
> and tags of the old days are now deprecated and should no longer be
> used in HTML however they have replacements in CSS.
>
> I think overall it is a pretty good thing personally. Finally after
> CSS has been around over 10 years it is starting to come of age and be
> recognized as well as improving the web overall. You can make
> navigation bars in CSS without images that function faster and do not
> contain images yet appear to have a rollover effect that is faster
> then JavaScript is.
>
> I also believe it will eventually reduce the number of people out
> there that just buy FrontPage and call themselves web designers
> without actually knowing any code or programming. It is people of that
> nature that have reduced the pay in this industry to a incredibly low
> amount of money. Think about it most web designers are selling their
> services for less then people will pay their auto mechanic to fix
> their car. Most small business owners will try to build their web
> sites on their own or higher a High school kid at minimum wage or less
> to build them something on the web. Even if the Web designer has a
> much higher education level then their auto mechanic.
>
> As far as markup languages go both HTML and XHTML are here to stay.
> However they will have to coexist with CSS from now on.
Right on, Kevin.
An oasis of sanity in a desert of gratuitous disqualifications.
Thank You
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