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Posted by Onideus Mad Hatter on 12/07/07 13:48
On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 16:38:23 +1030, Michael
<michael_j@pythontech.net.au> wrote:
>Chilly8 wrote:
>> "Michael" <michael_j@pythontech.net.au> wrote in message
>> news:475759e0$0$18454$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
>>> Chilly8 wrote:
>>>> "Jerry Stuckle" <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:Ze6dnUvZ38qZgMvanZ2dnUVZ_uninZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>> Chilly8 wrote:
>>>>>> "Jerry Stuckle" <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:0v2dnWmDBPFamsvanZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It appears that by simply blocking incoming traffic from the networks
>>>>>>>> of three data centers around the world has stopped it. I have only
>>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>> one "phony" registration all day, coming from China. Blocking all
>>>>>>>> traffic from inHoster in Ukraine, Keymachine in Germany, and
>>>>>>>> FDC servers in Chicago has pretty much stopped the porn bots.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For now. But how many legitimate users might you be blocking, also?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Blocking an entire range of addresses is almost never the right
>>>>>>> answer. Just the expedient one.
>>>>>> I doubt I would be blocking any legitimate users, as those sites I
>>>>>> mentioned
>>>>>> are all server colocation facilities. It appears that somoene has
>>>>>> compromised
>>>>>> all the machines at least two of those server farms. It might be
>>>>>> possible that
>>>>>> some users, trying to use a proxy from work to acoid detection by the
>>>>>> boss, might be affected by blocking FDC servers, since a couple of
>>>>>> popular anonymity services use FDC for their server needs, but
>>>>>> beyond that, I don't think many legitimate users will be affected, but
>>>>>> there really is no other answer to the problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> There are lots of other answers to the problem. Some have been listed
>>>>> right here. And none of them involve blocking a whole range of IP
>>>>> addresses.
>>>> Well, these are all just server farms, where people place web servers, so
>>>> the only humans using the machines, other than people browsing the web
>>>> sites, would be the individual web site admins, so other than maybe
>>>> somoene trying to use a Web proxy from work to hide what they are
>>>> doing from the boss, I don't think I would be impacting that many users.
>>>>
>>>> Like I said, blocking all traffic from those three data centers has cut
>>>> the problem of people posting porn links down to almost nothing. I
>>>> get maybe a handful a day, but not the dozens a day I was getting.
>>>> I don't think I will see anymore from folks like SuperXXXPorn
>>>> or BestinWeb. I got them stopped dead in their tracks.
>>>>
>>>> If you are running any servers hosted at the datacenters of Inhoster,
>>>> Keymachine, or FDC servers, you better check and see that
>>>> your servers have not been compromised by these people that
>>>> are doing this. 99.9 percent of the traffic that was posting porn
>>>> links were coming from compromised machines at these data
>>>> centers. And there is no POSSIBLE way I could have
>>>> discovered this without using a main page translated to HTML
>>>> and having all the traffic logged with StatCounter.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Apache logs much?
>>>
>>> There are plenty of good utilities to view these logs: analog, awstats and
>>> webalizer just to name a few.
>>
>>
>> Ah, but with StatCounter, I get much more detailed information. I can find
>> out what
>> search engines they linked on, what keywords were used, I also get
>> information on
>> what browser, operating system, and even what screen resolution was used.
>> None
>> of the products you mentioned can do that.
>>
>>
>
>Read up about them before you state what they can and can't do.
>StatCounter and all those other online solutions are seriously flawed.
>
>Here are the cons of StatCounter:
> - Commercial Software
> - Relies on JavaScript
> - Can only track files that JavaScript is embedded in
> - Your information is kept with a Third Party
>
>Awstats does everything statcounter can do as far as I know.
What's with your fear of javascript (do note the lack of capitals)?
I mean:
http://www.backwater-productions.net:2082/frontend/lp/stats/lastvistors.html
By all indications having javascript and having it enabled is pretty
much the norm. In fact I'd be willing to bet that most of that 6%
figure is from bots that are spidering page content.
And it certainly is not unreasonable to expect visitors to have
javascript and to have it enabled if it means being able to offer a
more design rich environment, especially if that environment has been
specifically designed to enhance page content.
To always try and cater to the lowest common denominator (that 6%) is
VERY foolish, especially in business where you want to push most of
your resources into things that will have the LARGEST positive impact
on your business (getting the most bang for your buck). Generally the
ONLY people who are against the practice are those who are foolish
enough to disable javascript and somehow think that the rest of the
world should have to cater to THEIR personal preferences. But when it
comes right down to it, which is more important...trying to entice 6
people to come and buy something from your store...or trying to entice
NINETY FOUR people to come and buy something from your store.
The only time in which that logic doesn't hold true is in the RARE
exception of perhaps having a site that sells brail screen readers to
the blind, in which case you are marketing a product that is only
useful to the lowest common denominator.
--
Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
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