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Posted by vinny on 12/17/84 11:23
"Onideus Mad Hatter" <usenet@backwater-productions.net> wrote in message
news:m72ef1h98vdqiuor9s6e72b7g46dm24p7f@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 7 Aug 2005 16:15:52 -0400, "vinny" <friggenbozo@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Onideus Mad Hatter" <usenet@backwater-productions.net> wrote in message
> >news:ciicf1hdtaqg0af03foigk39encmefv917@4ax.com...
> >> On Sun, 7 Aug 2005 13:44:09 -0400, "vinny" <friggenbozo@yahoo.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"Onideus Mad Hatter" <usenet@backwater-productions.net> wrote in
message
> >> >news:o4hcf158ijq5iggtrhg1tukidtkjqu2dok@4ax.com...
> >> >> On Sun, 7 Aug 2005 10:14:08 -0400, "vinny" <friggenbozo@yahoo.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"^reaper^" <knocking@deaths.door> wrote in message
> >> >> >news:1ge0ku1f5l8vi$.dlg@fallen.angel...
> >> >> >> While sipping absinthe, Onideus Mad Hatter heard a loud sucking
> >noise
> >> >> >> coming from alt.2600, and hastily inscribed the following
> >> >unintelligible
> >> >> >> Sanskrit in <news:63mbf1l3sdp0acmifrku4783f5hq1bbara@4ax.com>:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 02:38:51 -0700, Onideus Mad Hatter
> >> >> >> > <usenet@backwater-productions.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >>On Sun, 7 Aug 2005 02:06:57 -0700, "^reaper^"
> ><knocking@deaths.door>
> >> >> >> >>wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>>While sipping absinthe, Onideus Mad Hatter heard a loud
sucking
> >> >noise
> >> >> >> >>>coming from alt.2600, and hastily inscribed the following
> >> >> >unintelligible
> >> >> >> >>>Sanskrit in <news:cqd5f1l9hg975qghcrk4i46ui7nli9gp1f@4ax.com>:
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>> Hatter Blog, yo! Version 1.0!
> >> >> >> >>>> http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog/
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>fix0red yore code furrier.
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> http://www.spyderware.net/source/fix0red.css
> >> >> >> >>> http://www.spyderware.net/source/hattercss.inc
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> http://www.spyderware.net/source/fix0red.js
> >> >> >> >>> http://www.spyderware.net/source/hatterobjs.inc
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> http://www.spyderware.net/source/hatterdb.inc
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>Total lines of code: 127
> >> >> >> >>>Size: 5K
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>Yeah but how much of a slow down does it cause for the end
user?
> >If
> >> >> >> >>it's even a second on dialup then your implimentation is
actually
> >1
> >> >to
> >> >> >> >>2 K larger in effect. *shrugs*
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> It shouldn't cause any slowdown bc it's all created serverside.
And
> >> >from
> >> >> >> the server pov, it's fairly simplistic code (e.g., no
computation,
> >> >jumping
> >> >> >> through hoops, etc).
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>Perfect code...doesn't make for perfect sites. See that other
> >post
> >> >in
> >> >> >> >>which I pinged you.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Pffft. I wouldn't say the above examples are perfect. Far from
it,
> >in
> >> >> >fact.
> >> >> >> Just another approach for you to consider. The primary reason I
> >decided
> >> >to
> >> >> >> throw it together is bc I noticed you are in-lining your styles
and
> >> >> >jumping
> >> >> >> through a lot of hoops to determine your layout. In fact, that's
> >where
> >> >> >most
> >> >> >> of your code bloat comes from. You can take care of all of this
> >server
> >> >> >side
> >> >> >> bc you already know what browser your user is using (simply gen
the
> >css
> >> >> >> file contain the correct styles).
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > Slight correction, teh current version is 30K, so if it's 6
> >seconds
> >> >> >> > slower than the current version then there's no real
difference,
> >> >> >> > anything more than that and there's no reason to switch. I'll
> >test
> >> >> >> > your implementation tomorrow evening to see how well it fares.
In
> >my
> >> >> >> > experience however it's better to saturate the connection end
than
> >> >the
> >> >> >> > end users system...especially since the ratio of high speed
> >> >> >> > connections is greater than the ratio of high speed
systems...not
> >to
> >> >> >> > mention that code which relies too heavily on teh end users
> >resources
> >> >> >> > can lead to a lot of problems if they're not using high grade
> >memory
> >> >> >> > and processors. Teh code might look pretty, but it'll just be
> >CRASH,
> >> >> >> > CRASH, CRASH for most end users.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Sure. That's the major problem with going fully js. That's why
the
> >> >> >examples
> >> >> >> I provided do everything serverside (e.g., gen the js/css on the
> >> >server).
> >> >> >> The only thing they do not do atm is to create static files to
> >reduce
> >> >the
> >> >> >> need for gen'ing code by checking created dates (e.g., they just
> >spit
> >> >the
> >> >> >> code over to the user).
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> The obvious thing (if you want to stay w/js) is to use those to
> >create
> >> >> >> files on your server, and simply have your htm file include the
> >static
> >> >> >> files (or call the autogen based upon file created dates and last
> >> >updated
> >> >> >> dates in the db).
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Oh and. Yes, I fully agree. Smaller is not always better, for a
> >number
> >> >of
> >> >> >> reasons, the least being compute overhead and added complexity.
Even
> >> >so,
> >> >> >> bulky code can quickly become cumbersome. Just wait until you
decide
> >> >you
> >> >> >> want to add some new neat feature... or you want to change the
> >layout.
> >> >> >From
> >> >> >> what I can tell, the direction you're going will guarantee a
rewrite
> >in
> >> >> >the
> >> >> >> future. And sure, that might be easy, but why not let the puter
do
> >your
> >> >> >> work for you? Again, that's where the whole serverside db bit
comes
> >in.
> >> >> >> Ymmv, of course.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >
> >> >> >nice reply.
> >> >>
> >> >> Reaper's coding skills surpass even my own at this point. She can
be
> >> >> a little annoying in that she also keeps increasing her skill level,
> >> >> makes it hard to try and out match her. I do love the competition
> >> >> though. The other thing that's great about Reaper is that she
doesn't
> >> >> just talk, she produces real code. I admire peeps who can actually
> >> >> produce...unlike a couple certain alt.html regs I know of who have
> >> >> nothing but book knowledge. They make for a good reference guide
> >> >> though I suppose.
> >> >>
> >> > Stop with all the slurping already!
> >>
> >> What's the matter Vintard, does it bother you that I admire and
> >> respect certain people?
> >
> >no, it's the disgusting display of public slurping that bothers me.
>
> I didn't see you bitching when BuZZ's new boyfriend practically had
> his head straight up BuZZ's crack lookin for brown worms.
>
> >< I guess it makes you pretty bitter and
> >> jealous inside, doesn't it? But all is not lost for ya kiddo...just
> >> start producing, be creative, push yer skillz, strive to be one of the
> >> best...and then maybe I won't think of you as just another drooling
> >> moron here for my amusement.
>
> >I'm too lazy for that.
>
> Lazy...or stupid? ^_^
lazy
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