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Posted by Beauregard T. Shagnasty on 10/07/05 19:04
Jake wrote:
> In message <1ucbllxy0c5yq$.1m6n1dnppp8r.dlg@40tude.net>, Beauregard T.
> Shagnasty <a.nony.mous@example.invalid> writes
>>Jake wrote:
>>
>>> In message <1bs7jtot208wr$.1dmpqzozm7es8.dlg@40tude.net>, rf
>>> <rf@invalid.com> writes
>>>> Jake wrote:
>>>>
>>>> [opening new window]
>>>>
>>>>> Ever been to a site which, with badly-tested flash and/or
>>>>> javascript, prevents the back-button from ever working?
>>>>
>>>> And what does your solution do? Breaks the back button.
>>>
>>> You've lost me there, I'm afraid.
>>>
>>> As you've opened the page in a new window -- how is the back button
>>> relevant?
>>
>>The new window has nothing in the history, so clicking the back button
>>does nothing.
>
> Yes.
>
>>Ergo, it is broken.
>
> No. Simply not relevant in this context. If you have no history, the
> back button has no function.
You're not thinking like the average clueless surfer. There are two
things they all know: how to click on a link, and how to use the back
button. If there is no history, of course the button "has no function"
which is why it is a bad idea. They cannot get back to your page.
Most of them don't even know that the tiny arrow flush up to the back
button gives them the choice to go back more than one page.
>>> Anyway, as I've said -- much easier to kill a window than to reload
>>> the browser.
>>
>>Aha, here's the realization. If your browser was maximized, and a page
>>opened in a new maximized window on top of it, how would you know it
>>*was* a new window?
>
> (A) visual - 'cos that's what the message tells me. What message? The
> message on the page that says "link opens in a new window" -- or
> equivalent.
How many sites/pages do you really know that say that? C'mon, be honest.
> (B) audio/visual - as above, plus an audio tone.
My browser makes no noises.
>>And it has a broken back button... So, what do you
>>do? You go back to Google and pick another site. Sometime later in the
>>day, when you are finished surfing, you close this "new" window and you
>>find that original window still there... but long since forgotten.
>
> When I've finished, I kill the window. If the original is there, I kill
> that one too. What's so difficult about that?
You kill the window. If it was not a *new* window, you've just killed
your whole surfing session. People are reluctant to do that until they
are done for the day/session.
How often do you sit and watch over the shoulder of the average surfer?
--
-bts
-When motorcycling, never follow a pig truck
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