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Posted by Tony Cooper on 10/10/05 04:12
On 9 Oct 2005 16:13:04 -0700, Stan McCann <me@stanmccann.us> wrote:
>Tony Cooper <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote in
>news:365hk1lg9unh5mjh629oj3mk79sfpaqloh@4ax.com:
>
>>>Maybe you are like me that reads more than posts. I did not/do not
>>>recognize your name as one of the regulars that I have become
>>>familiar with and value their posts.
>>
>> I'm a regular in another newsgroup - oddly enough, on the subject of
>> English usage - and only strolled into alt.html to ask a question.
>> I
>
>Ahah, a student of English commenting on English usage in an HTML
>group.
The reason html exists is to present the written word to a wider
audience. To give more to concern to the function of how the words
are presented than to the words presented seems a bit assbackwards to
me. First you get the words right, then you figure out how to best
present them.
>> muddle along in 4.01 and use it to put up images of the family so I
>> can send links to the other family members from Illinois to Russia
>> to Denmark.
>>
>> Fair's fair, so my latest site is
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~tony_cooper213/bluehome.html and you are
>> welcome to criticize my dodgy html. I used Adobe Photoshop7's
>> Picture Gallery for the additional pictures, but I'm not happy with
>> this
>
>I wouldn't bother to critique it. It is total trash (code) IMO.
S'fine with me. It's not that I don't respect doing things right, but
the site is up, the site is viewable by those who I want to view it,
the site accomplishes what I want it to accomplish, and the site took
about five minutes from start to finish to create. That's the site
part, and not the taking and processing of the images, of course.
> As I
>said in an earlier post (the one in which you critiqued my English?),
>Transition is long past. HTML 4.0 has been superseded by HTML 4.01
>way back in 1998. I see no CSS which is today's standard.
But you saw the site. Did it open when you clicked the link? Did it
make any difference at all when you opened the site that today's
standard wasn't used? Wasn't the text there where the text was
supposed to be, and the images there where I had chosen to put them?
Did you know it wasn't made using today's standards before you looked
at the source?
You can make the point that the page design could be improved, but
without any desire on my part to do something different with the
design, what difference did it make to present the format I used in
the way that I presented it?
Assuming that I didn't want to do anything with the page that wasn't
done, how would using CSS mattered?
In my view, when I reach a point where I can't do what I want to do
using the code (is that the word?) that I now use, that's the time to
start using something new. However, if I want to continue to do what
I've done in the link I provided, then what I'm doing is sufficient.
>Please don't take offense. I was just giving an example of how I saw
>your critique of my English. You mentioned some rules I violated
>without being specific. For instance, an example of a proper critique
>of your page would be: Your text "WEEKEND AT BLUE SPRINGS" appears to
>be a header. An <hx> would be more appropriate.
Why? The text line is exactly where I wanted the text line to be, in
the font size and style I wanted it to be, and had the emphasis that I
wanted it to have. How would a more appropriate way to place the text
line improve anything?
>They (we?) don't so much sneer at 4.01 as that is the latest
>recommendation of HTML. Most of the regulars here promote proper
>usage, just as you did with my English.
I don't see it as the same thing at all. Spelling, punctuation, and
sentence structure are all immediately discernable to the page's
viewer. Whether is it brought to view by utilizing old means or by
new means is immaterial. No matter how you code it, a misspelled word
shows up on site. No coding will correct it.
>Just a side note. I find it interesting that you also have family in
>Russia as my son-in-law is Russian.
My daughter-in-law is Russian. She's a resident alien with her "green
card" (which is no longer green). Her parents are visiting here now.
Let me tell you, it's interesting spending a few evenings with two
people who do not speak a word of English when you don't speak a word
of Russian.
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