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Posted by NoNamer on 05/21/06 06:22
Bob wrote:
> NoNamer wrote:
> > Bob wrote:
> >> NoNamer wrote:
> >>> Bob wrote:
> >>>> Using this page
> >>>>
> >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_layout_engines_%28DOM%29
> >>>>
> >>>> I made some rather unscientific computations of the levels of DOM
> >>>> (Document Object Model), ie, Javascript + CSS, support for IE 6, Opera
> >>>> 7, 8 and 9 and Firefox 1.5
> >>>>
> >>>> Here they are:
> >>>>
> >>>> DOM 1 supports how many
> >>>>
> >>>> IE5 264 (15 more are broken)
> >>>> IE6 293 (15 more are broken)
> >>>> Opera 7 337 (1 is broken)
> >>>> Opera 8 337 (1 is broken)
> >>>> Opera 9 370 (1 is broken)
> >>>> Firefox 367
> >>>>
> >>>> Opera 9 barely edges out Firefox for DOM 1 support, but it is basically
> >>>> a tie. IE is quite a bit behind. Even Opera 7 bests it considerably.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> DOM 2 supports how many
> >>>>
> >>>> IE5 43 (2 more are broken)
> >>>> IE6 44 (2 more are broken)
> >>>> Opera 7 70
> >>>> Opera 8 116
> >>>> Opera 9 154
> >>>> Firefox 176
> >>>>
> >>>> Firefox definitely wins for DOM 2 support, but Opera 9 also does very
> >>>> well. IE6 looks like a disaster for DOM 2. Even the older Opera 7 does
> >>>> much better than IE. Even more shameful is that IE barely improved from
> >>>> v5 to v6
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> DOM 3 supports how many
> >>>>
> >>>> IE5 0
> >>>> IE6 0
> >>>> Opera 7 1
> >>>> Opera 8 7
> >>>> Opera 9 54
> >>>> Firefox 19
> >>>>
> >>>> Although DOM 3 is very new and not supported well by browsers, Opera 9
> >>>> does dramatically better than any other browser in implementing it. IE,
> >>>> shamefully, has not implemented one spec, and has not improved again
> >>>> between v5 and v6. Firefox does a decent job of implementing DOM 3,
> >>>> considering that no browser implements much of it.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Totals
> >>>>
> >>>> IE5 307
> >>>> IE6 337
> >>>> Opera 7 408
> >>>> Opera 8 460
> >>>> Opera 9 578
> >>>> Firefox 562
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> For the totals, Opera 9 has the best DOM support of any major browser!
> >>>> Yaaaay! Firefox is quite close though. IE is horribly behind and has
> >>>> barely improved from one old version to the next. Even Opera 7 is much
> >>>> better than IE6. The only conclusion is that when it comes to DOM, IE is
> >>>> an incredibly broken browser. The fact that 85% of the net is using this
> >>>> stupid, broken browser is just disgusting.
> >>>> Methods: I counted them by hand, so there may be some errors. Feel free
> >>>> to recheck. I think my totals are pretty good though.
> >>> I know it's not out yet, but any preliminary data for IE7?
> >> Yes, I do, but not from that url. From another one, I was *really*
> >> disappointed. There has been some limited progress WRT to CSS, but
> >> nothing spectacular. WRT to DOM, I am not sure if there is much new at
> >> all. These people like Web Standards Project (MS is now an official
> >> member) who have been raving about how IE7 is so much more
> >> standards-compliant appear to be horribly wrong. I was of the opinion
> >> that IE7 was much better in this regard, and when I looked it up, it was
> >> profoundly disappointing. Bottom line is IE7 is still dramatically
> >> backwards in terms of standards implementation.
> >>> I've been using it for about 2 weeks now and really like it. The zoom
> >>> feature is awesome.
> >> That's cool. I refuse to use IE on principle, not because it's a crappy
> >> browser. After a reinstall, I used it for a couple of days intensively
> >> and I had to admit it was pleasant, esp because so many pages seem to be
> >> designed specifically for that browser. However, I ran without
> >> antivirus, and by the end of the 2 days, I had something like 12 trojans
> >> on my system!
> >
> > Wow... I haven't run across any bad stuff at all.
> >
> > Can you post a link to one of the sites that had a trojan? I would
> > like to test out IE7 in this regard.
>
> Dunno, I was surfing tons of porn sites and they gave me trojans. Mostly
> the advertiser-tracking variety, not really harmful...
I see. So you (an admitted MS hater) make a claim that you were
surfing and got lots of trojans with IE7. I ask for *one* link to test
and you can't come up with *anything*?
Cmon... let's see at least a little example of where IE7 fails with
trojans. If it's so insecure, it shouldn't be too hard to post just
one little link...
> >
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