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Posted by Bob on 05/21/06 20:31
NoNamer wrote:
> Bob wrote:
>> NoNamer wrote:
>>> Bob wrote:
>>>> NoNamer wrote:
>>>>> Bob wrote:
>>>>>> Using this page
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_layout_engines_%28DOM%29
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I made some rather unscientific computations of the levels of DOM
>>>>>> (Document Object Model), ie, Javascript + CSS, support for IE 6, Opera
>>>>>> 7, 8 and 9 and Firefox 1.5
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here they are:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DOM 1 supports how many
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IE5 264 (15 more are broken)
>>>>>> IE6 293 (15 more are broken)
>>>>>> Opera 7 337 (1 is broken)
>>>>>> Opera 8 337 (1 is broken)
>>>>>> Opera 9 370 (1 is broken)
>>>>>> Firefox 367
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Opera 9 barely edges out Firefox for DOM 1 support, but it is basically
>>>>>> a tie. IE is quite a bit behind. Even Opera 7 bests it considerably.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DOM 2 supports how many
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IE5 43 (2 more are broken)
>>>>>> IE6 44 (2 more are broken)
>>>>>> Opera 7 70
>>>>>> Opera 8 116
>>>>>> Opera 9 154
>>>>>> Firefox 176
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Firefox definitely wins for DOM 2 support, but Opera 9 also does very
>>>>>> well. IE6 looks like a disaster for DOM 2. Even the older Opera 7 does
>>>>>> much better than IE. Even more shameful is that IE barely improved from
>>>>>> v5 to v6
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DOM 3 supports how many
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IE5 0
>>>>>> IE6 0
>>>>>> Opera 7 1
>>>>>> Opera 8 7
>>>>>> Opera 9 54
>>>>>> Firefox 19
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Although DOM 3 is very new and not supported well by browsers, Opera 9
>>>>>> does dramatically better than any other browser in implementing it. IE,
>>>>>> shamefully, has not implemented one spec, and has not improved again
>>>>>> between v5 and v6. Firefox does a decent job of implementing DOM 3,
>>>>>> considering that no browser implements much of it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Totals
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IE5 307
>>>>>> IE6 337
>>>>>> Opera 7 408
>>>>>> Opera 8 460
>>>>>> Opera 9 578
>>>>>> Firefox 562
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For the totals, Opera 9 has the best DOM support of any major browser!
>>>>>> Yaaaay! Firefox is quite close though. IE is horribly behind and has
>>>>>> barely improved from one old version to the next. Even Opera 7 is much
>>>>>> better than IE6. The only conclusion is that when it comes to DOM, IE is
>>>>>> an incredibly broken browser. The fact that 85% of the net is using this
>>>>>> stupid, broken browser is just disgusting.
>>>>>> Methods: I counted them by hand, so there may be some errors. Feel free
>>>>>> to recheck. I think my totals are pretty good though.
>>>>> I know it's not out yet, but any preliminary data for IE7?
>>>> Yes, I do, but not from that url. From another one, I was *really*
>>>> disappointed. There has been some limited progress WRT to CSS, but
>>>> nothing spectacular. WRT to DOM, I am not sure if there is much new at
>>>> all. These people like Web Standards Project (MS is now an official
>>>> member) who have been raving about how IE7 is so much more
>>>> standards-compliant appear to be horribly wrong. I was of the opinion
>>>> that IE7 was much better in this regard, and when I looked it up, it was
>>>> profoundly disappointing. Bottom line is IE7 is still dramatically
>>>> backwards in terms of standards implementation.
>>>>> I've been using it for about 2 weeks now and really like it. The zoom
>>>>> feature is awesome.
>>>> That's cool. I refuse to use IE on principle, not because it's a crappy
>>>> browser. After a reinstall, I used it for a couple of days intensively
>>>> and I had to admit it was pleasant, esp because so many pages seem to be
>>>> designed specifically for that browser. However, I ran without
>>>> antivirus, and by the end of the 2 days, I had something like 12 trojans
>>>> on my system!
>>> Wow... I haven't run across any bad stuff at all.
>>>
>>> Can you post a link to one of the sites that had a trojan? I would
>>> like to test out IE7 in this regard.
>> Dunno, I was surfing tons of porn sites and they gave me trojans. Mostly
>> the advertiser-tracking variety, not really harmful...
>
> I see. So you (an admitted MS hater) make a claim that you were
> surfing and got lots of trojans with IE7.
IE6. I was also surfing with no antivirus.
I ask for *one* link to test
> and you can't come up with *anything*?
Nope. I don't even know where I got them. I must have gone to scores of
sites.
>
> Cmon... let's see at least a little example of where IE7 fails with
> trojans. If it's so insecure, it shouldn't be too hard to post just
> one little link...
IE6...
All I know is I surfed for a while with no antivirus with Opera and
Firefox, and I never got any trojans at all. I surf with 1 1/2 days with
IE6 and no antivirus, and I had 12 trojans.
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