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Posted by Jeremy Brown on 06/06/06 17:42

I actually DO appreciate the tips he gave. Some was very helpful and I did
use it, I did thank him for it, I just felt he was being a bit condesending
with some of his comments. I tried to not come back as an asshole in my
response, but it failed.

I do know that the site is ameturish and there are sites that look a whole
lot better, modern and sharp. I am trying to get rid of the frames, I know a
lot of people hate them for good reason. The initial layout for the site was
done as a side thing in 2000. I actually did first learn HTML back in the
3.0 days and the code does reflect that. I have only recently began to bring
it forward to all the standards based (X)HTML, specifically March of this
year. I have been rewriting everything by "hand" in my spare time. It has
taken a serious amount of time to rewrite and validate each of the 30 or so
main pages (60 with the framesets) and 200 or so gallery pages.

Jeremy

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"Blinky the Shark" <no.spam@box.invalid> wrote in message
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> Jeremy Brown wrote:
>> Just an informational response:
>>
>>>This is (almost) never a good idea. It's the web equivalent of the old
>>>DTP tricks for spacing things out by putting empty whitespace elements
>>>everywhere.
>>
>> That is why I wish to do. I have eliminated a ton of older styles in the
>> markup. I have elimanted almost all of the depreciated tags on all of the
>> pages on my site. I have switched just about all formatting to my style
>> sheet.
>>
>>>If you want [A} and [C] to be presented with some white space between
>>>them, then use CSS and bigger margins (probably margin-top on [C]) to
>>>set it. Don't create a [B] element just to sit between them - it's
>>>just not needed.
>>
>> This is the kind of information I need. Sometimes the simple solution
>> often
>> eludes us. I honestly would not have thought to use the margin functions
>> in
>> my CSS since I am still learning how to utilize it to its full potential.
>>
>>>I doubt you need to, nor should, use a table here -- but that's a
>>>separate
>>>issue.
>>
>> The artwork is 5 separate elements, not one. I know you can do that using
>> a
>> single image with coordinate mapping and there are other ways, but that
>> is
>> not how I wish to do so. The table works rather well in doing what I wish
>> to
>> do.
>>
>>>In general, your markup wants an overall make-over. It's pretty much
>>>1997 style, only in XHTML.
>>
>>>Lose the frames.
>>>Lose the HTML 3.2 coding style.
>>>Lose the Transitional doctype.
>>>Lose the <table>s
>>>Lose the rainbow bullets.
>>>Lose the frames.
>>
>>>The XHTML is OK, although many people will proceed to tell you it's
>>>wrong.
>>
>> 1. I am going to dump the frames as soon as I learn how to layout the
>> site
>> fully in CSS. (see #3)
>> 2. Please read my home page in regards to my HTML skills- I am still
>> learning how to do it, hence it isn't beautifully typed up. I am typing
>> all
>> of this out in Notepad, and the way I type lets me read it and know what
>> I
>> looking at while I work on it.
>
> Kudos for tackling this with a text editor and not some WYSINWYG crutch.
> But you might want to consider using a text editor with syntax
> highlighting; it'll make your job easier.
>
>> 3. I actually have a version of my site that is Strict, but it does not
>> look
>> the way I want it to yet. (see #1)
>> 4. The frames do what I want, they validate in Transitional & Strict and
>> I
>> like the look.
>> 5. How I design may page is not really the point here, I simply want to
>> learn HTML and have some fun doing so. I like the way my site looks. It
>> is
>> amateurish because that what it is- an amateur HTML coder presenting his
>> amateur automotive skills on a personal web page. I am sure that some
>> time
>> in the future I will bring the site into the 21st century, maybe 2002 or
>> 2003, until then the layout stays- rainbow icons and all.
>> 6. See #1 & #3
>>
>> All this said, why did you need to critique my whole site when I only
>> asked
>> a question about an XHTML tag?
>
> You got some bonus input. That's not uncommon here. Don't bitch about
> it.
>
>
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