Posted by Runnin' on Empty on 09/14/06 21:06

"Kevin Scholl" <kscholl@comcast.DELETE.net> wrote in message
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> Sym wrote:
>> Kevin Scholl wrote:
>>> Runnin' on Empty wrote:
>>
>>>> I'm all for standards, but they don't apply to every site.
>>>
Sym wrote:
> Kevin Scholl wrote:


We're talking about Web sites, not software development. While there is
some overlap with regard to Web-based applications, generally speaking
there is a clear distinction between the two.



It depends on what you mean by "web site" ?



Are Dell.com or Amazon.com "websites"? If they are your statement is
incorrect, if by website you mean a simple static brochure site, then I
agree with you.



Example One: you make a site for a local motorcycle dealer (or what ever),
it got about 10 pages of core navigation (home, about us, new bikes, used
bikes, parts dept, staff, locations, contact us, bike safety, etc)



Each page is create in Dreamweaver, then gone over by hand,and FTP'd to the
server. There is no reason for any of these pages not to validate.



Example Two:

You make a web site for a major level real estate and development company,
it has a similar core navigation for 10, or so pages, only some of the pages
are maintained by agents using a common javascript CMS tool bar and a PHP
interface to the Database.



It has several layers of access to various other dynamic functions
including:



Amazon remote shopping cart that takes Amazon AWS XML feeds to sell books
both to agents and property prospects,



A proprietary, members only shopping cart written in PHP, that interfaces
with a database so agents can order sign, business cards, pens and other
schwag. The Database is maintained by a combo CMS and Cart Admin written in
PHP.



It includes a Multiple Listings XML feed from a third party provider that
allows site users to view property descriptions by agent.



Also. well you get the picture, I guarantee that this "website" will not
validate.



Why not? Because much of the "Front End" HTML and CSS is generated by
automated process that are impossible to vet to clean code. For instance the
Amazon data will generate HTML tables that may or may not be in balance
depending on how many record sets a query returns, hence no validation for
the HTML.




Most Web sites are indeed started from scratch.



Any thing "Started" is from scratch, any thing "maintained" wont be.



Most people that have web standards as there goal have never worked on a
majorly large and dynamic "web site"

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