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Posted by Gιrard Talbot on 10/25/06 21:28
Jukka K. Korpela wrote :
> Scripsit GΓ©rard Talbot:
>
>> It all depends actually on what is the whole webpage context,
>> situation (purpose served for browser detection), not just how
>> detection is done - that is if it can be done reliably - but also
>> *_how_* people are invited to upgrade. A simple clickable-reactive
>> <browse happy image> might be good enough, you know.
>
> Arguing with visitors about their choice of a browser is just foolish,
> no matter how you do that.
Really?
> Even if your site is _about_ the choice of a
> browser and nothing else, all this sniffing and puffing is pointless:
> anyone who is really interested in the choice of a browser surely knows
> what he is using and wants to read _rational arguments_ or comparisons.
If you address the visitors' intelligence, you may actually help them
consider the current browser they are using.
Some ISPs will support their customers in upgrading browsers. Some
e-commerce sites will support to upgrade as well.
Like I said, it's not worth it to annoy users who are already using
non-IE browsers. Those who choose a non-IE browser usually are good at
keeping up with the latest available version of their browser.
For IE 5.x, it may be already pointless or useless to annoy them: for
some reasons (non-computer savvy, fear?, something else), they haven't
upgrade already to MSIE 6 or to other alternate browsers.
For IE 6, then I think it's worth addressing such issue. Within the next
12 months or so, IE 6 users will have choice and will most likely be
bombarded with upgrade/switch campains.
I'm just reducing the span of the discussion here.
> Almost all sites that try to convince users about changing or upgrading
> a browser are trying to say something about some other issues as well,
> and then they lose their point by making noise about the browser issue.
> If you use a telephone to contact a person or an organization about
> something, what would you think if you first heard "Dear caller, we have
> detected that you are using an old telephone model with serious security
> problems.
What if the user is calling the phone company and reporting problems
with his phone? What if the user is calling his phone utility company
and asking for the best recommendable phone product?
You will now be automatically connected to a person who will
> give you advice on upgrading to a newer model..."?
[snipped]
How about a disclaimer webpage saying something like "The webpages of
this website use valid markup code, semantic markup code and valid CSS
code. Despite our best coding, testing and technical efforts, the
formating of webpages may not render as intended in browsers which have
an incomplete support of W3C web standards or incorrect implementation
of W3C web standards. For best viewing conditions and for best security,
we recommend Firefox 2.0 or Opera 9.1 or ..."
The link to such disclaimer page would only appear to IE 5.x, IE 6 and
IE 7 users thanks to:
<!--[if lt IE 8]>
<p><a href="[link to disclaimer page]">Recommended browsers [or some
other text]</a><p>
<![endif]-->
At the bottom of, say,
> http://www.gtalbot.org/FirefoxSection/
> I see the following:
>
> "Valid HTML 4.01 strict! CSS compliant Web standards project Get Nvu
> HTML editor"
>
> That soup of links _is_ misleading. Very misleading.
Sorry, I chose quickly a random page. Most other webpages on my site has
a list of supported browser which are clickable images referencing
download pages.
> On the other hand,
> there is no link for browser update, which is of course good,
There are links for browser update on a majority of webpages.
GΓ©rard
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