Posted by dorayme on 11/22/06 03:53

In article <l7a7m217aivka3uogqhlkeir53235f5fp0@4ax.com>,
Michael Fesser <netizen@gmx.de> wrote:

> .oO(dorayme)
>
> >Every time includes are discussed, someone says how you don't
> >have to edit lots and lots of files on your own machine. For
> >starters. But this paints a completely false picture of any
> >intelligent approach to altering even huge numbers of files
> >considering there really is only one action you need to take,
> >that is: use any decent text editor's Find and Replace to change
> >all the files in any given directory or folder.
>
> That's an error-prone way and completely unnecessary work.
>

Not when you don't know any better. Besides I am really good at F
& R and actually have fun working out Grep patterns. Error is
something a;ll beings are prone to, from the time of that bite of
the forbidden apple.

> >As for uploading the changed files to a remote server, yes, this
> >is definitely more time consuming, especially for dialup (I was
> >on it for years and damn hell, I wish I had looked into
> >includes!) But on broadband, it is hardly a significant time
> >thing - especially if you have your file structure well managed
> >so you can grab all the html...
>
> Even on broadband it makes a difference if you have to upload just one
> file or two hundred.
>

I am not disagreeing. But it is sure no a big deal for small
sites.


> >In your time savings you need to factor in all the fiddling about
> >to get includes going
>
> A one-liner.
>

No! You have to often make the server behave itself. you have to
set up to be able to see your own website off line... yuou have
to do things... why are you so reluctant to admit these things
Micha? Honestly, i am on your side, think includes are great but
I am driven to be skeptical of the starry eyed spruiking for
them... Probably because of the irritaing time i have had
mastering some of the issues involved! Sort of revenge. <g>


> >issues to do with file names, server set
> >ups and prior bookmarks. The experienced will find these things a
> >breeze, for sure. But not everyone!
>
> These things are set up _once_, then you simply use them.
>
> >As for energy savings, elegance, avoiding a "stupidish" approach,
> >this is different altogether. These things are real! But I doubt
> >there can be any time savings for the web developer to speak of
> >with most sites.
>
> Another question: What do you prefer - embedded or external stylesheets?
>
Look, Micha, I can see this one coming like the cricket ball is
football sized... There is nothing to master to have the sensible
option, the external css. It is just a head link reference.
Includes are part of a whole new way of operating, they are not
just one little line and the magic wand is all waved and we trip
off into fairyland.

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dorayme

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