Posted by John Hosking on 12/02/06 11:38

natashab wrote BY TOP-POSTING, which is not the desired way in alt.html,
but which John has fixed for her:

> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>
>>natashab wrote:
>>
>>>Just wish to introduce myself to the group.

Hello natasha. You don't have to introduce yourself. Just be.

>>>I have been attempting to learn very basic HTML on my own ...
>>
>>..but your code looks like it is straight out of 1995.
>>Doesn't use CSS for presentation.
>>See http://htmldog.com/
>>
This is certainly meant to be helpful and relevant to you. If you're
trying to learn HTML, wouldn't an online tutorial be useful?
>>
>>>You may all no doubt take a sneaky peak at the coding of it and I
>>>actually have no idea what it now means because somewhere along the
>>>line of having a few friends check on what I had created it now appears
>>>that the coding is entirely different than my HTML I orginally wrote
>>>for it
>>
>>How it is different? Please describe with some details.
>>There is no way that a friend could change your code by visiting the
>>page.
>>
Again, Beauregard is trying to understand your problem. Your original
question was not too clear (and I still don't understand what happened).
>>
>>>Please if any of you know how this could have happened please share
>>>this with me??
>>>
>>>Thanks in advance natasha
>>>www.happytapping.co.uk
>>
>>which is: http://www.freewebs.com/happytapping/
>>
>>Many errors:
>><http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freewebs.com%2Fhappytapping%2F&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&verbose=1>
>>
When there are (many) validation errors, it's a sign that the desired
results are going to be elusive. This comes up so often here (and in
similar NGs) that it's just standard practice to run a page through the
W3C validators.
>
> thank you for your total lack of support, in fact I find your replies
> totally demeaning to the fact that I have created a sight with no html
> knowledge, with no internet server, hosting etc experience what so
> ever. I gave something a shot that I had an interest in.
>
I'm sorry you got such a negative impression. But the responses from
Beauregard and Neredbojias seem to be directly addressing your query,
that is, they *are* supporting you. As is so often the case, the
discussion drifted from one response to the response to the response.
That happens, and it's to be expected (although we always hope it stays
NG-relevant).

[snippage]
>
> The coding change I talked about has nothing what so ever to do with
> the frames and everything to do I believe with having sent the html
> index file to friends to look at and then them sending it back to me
> edited.
>
I still don't get this. Or, I uderstand what happened even less than I
did originally. If your friends changed the code you sent them, it's a
matter between you and them, isn't it? How can we help?

> I joined this group thinking I would gain an understanding to the
> development on web design and learn more about coding.
>
Fair enough. Good plan. Lurk here, at
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html, and at c.i.w.a.stylesheets. You
won't understand everything at first, but keep trying. Try to follow the
discussions.

> The course I am on has again nothing to do with how I have coded the
> site as I haven't even advanced to that point of correctly learning
> HTML or even CSS!!!! So please do not be so down on my work or my
> choice of education.
>
Well, we don't know anything about the course(s) you're taking, or what
you've learned, but since you mentioned it, it got discussed. And some
disgust. Andy's comment was disparaging, but if you say, "I'm learning
all this great stuff!" and we look at your code and it's not great, that
will lead to a discussion of the quality of education, evidenced by the
quality of the work.
>
> You rudeness in totally thread jacking my thread to discuss many other
> topics other than my introduction or to give me proper words of advice
> on how to correct my errors and put me on the right path totally
> astounds me!!!
>
Once you ask a question/make a post, it's up for discussion. The talk
may migrate away. That's normal. Sorry about the OT digression to
beverage production, but that eventually got labeled as such.

You made your post, we asked for more info and offered a tip, and so
we've pretty much fulfilled our obligations to you (but BTW, we don't
*have* any) until you show up again with more info.
>
> Or do none of you have proper manner and are really as crass as I have
> been led to believe about most Americans!!!!

I'd bet that barely half of the posters here are Americans. Where'd you
get your assumption? Because you felt mistreated?

I don't see why you liked Andy's reply, but not Beauregard's or
Neredbojias's. The drift to beer-brewing was unrelated but organic. The
thread is what it has become. Try to participate positively (without
top-posting) and we'll all (you, us, the next newbie) benefit from it.

Good luck.
--
John

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