Posted by Osiris on 12/14/06 22:30

On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:12:40 -0500, Jerry Stuckle
<jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:

>Osiris wrote:
>> On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 07:21:33 -0500, Jerry Stuckle
>> <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Osiris wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:34:01 -0000, Jim Logajan <JamesL@Lugoj.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>nobody@nowhere.invalid (Peter Boosten) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Osiris <nono@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>time for a Joomla newsgroup !
>>>>>>>support the initiative on news.groups and nl.newsgroups.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>search there with keyword "joomla" and give your opinion, with solid
>>>>>>>arguments.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What's wrong with their forum?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://forum.joomla.org/
>>>>>
>>>>>It appears to be the rough equivalent of a moderated Usenet forum, since
>>>>>the owner/operator of the web forum can edit posts, remove posts, or
>>>>>blacklist posters.
>>>>>
>>>>>An unmoderated Usenet forum would be operating with a different set of
>>>>>ground rules that provides almost no centralized editorial control of
>>>>>content.
>>>>>
>>>>>The two types of forums would therefore appear to have some complementary
>>>>>aspects (assuming the Usenet group is kept unmoderated) and some
>>>>>competitive aspects. E.g: Usenet group too "noisy" - go to the Joomla.org
>>>>>forum; Joomla.org forum too restrictive - go to the Usenet newsgroup.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Of course, the choice between the two solutions is a false dilemma.
>>>>The situation is not one of XOR, but of AND, for the programmers
>>>>amongst us.
>>>>
>>>>A feature of a forum is, e.g. that it can be extremely difficult to
>>>>get in: yesterday I spent about 15 minutes to get into joomla.org
>>>>forum. Really ! and I'm no novice on the WWW !
>>>>The sea of id's and passwords I have for all the forums I have been
>>>>to, you would not believe. I regularly forget one... nuisance, and the
>>>>veru faint smell of elitism...
>>>>
>>>>Probably a forum is good for a smaller group of developers, but the
>>>>regular user, encountering a problem, wants the speed and prliferation
>>>>of Usenet.
>>>>I think Usenet can contribute significantly in the spreading of the
>>>>Word, by just being there and being easy to find.
>>>>
>>>>Also the centralization of the diiscussions on Usenet, versus the
>>>>miriad of Joomla forums (every Tom, Dick and Harry....), would be
>>>>beneficial.
>>>>
>>>
>>>What took you so long? I can sign up for their forum in under 5 minutes
>>>- less than three minutes if I don't count the time waiting for the
>>>authorization email.
>>
>>
>> I can get on to a usenet group in under 30 seconds.... No return
>> e-mails, no passwords, no hassle...
>> Not every Tom, Dick and Harry putting a forum up... centralized..
>>
>
>So? YOU can do it. That doesn't mean ANYONE ELSE wants it. Many
>people are much more comfortable with forums.
>

No it does not, but it might mean soneone else wants it too. And
that's what it is all about here...

>Additionally, if someone doesn't have a news reader or news server
>available (or don't know how to use what they have - very common!), then
>they would have to go through something like Google Groups. I'd much
>rather have a forum.
>

so YOU are more comfy etc.


>>
>>>And yes, it is a case of either/or. People are not going to post the
>>>same information to both the forum and usenet. They'll post it to the
>>>forum and that's all.
>>
>>
>> Ummmmm, that is an XOR after all ....
>>
>
>Yep, they will post in one or the other - but not both.

yep, but then for that to be true there must be a usenet group....

>
>>
>>>But this is the wrong place to try to drum up support, anyway. You
>>>should be trying to get it on the Joomla forums. But I see you've done
>>>that - with, so far, a distinct lack of interest from the Joomla community.
>>
>>
>> mmm, does that sound a teeny little bit hostile ?
>> You're a forum operator ?
>
>No, not hostile. Just point out that this is the wrong place to be
>asking. This is for PHP questions. By continuing to try to use this to
>promote your own agenda which is unrelated to PHP, you're acting more
>like a spammer.

Joomla is heavily PHP...
Big chance there are Joomla people around here... where else would
they go, being frustrated by the forum mechanisms....:-D

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