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Posted by cwdjrxyz on 01/29/07 21:40

On Jan 26, 9:13 pm, I V <wrong...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 05:55:15 -0800, Andy Dingley wrote:
> > On 25 Jan, 13:09, Peter Smit <pjms...@wanadoo.nl> wrote:
> >> Is it impossible to put a movie on a webpage and still get approval from
> >> 3WCvalidation?
>
> > It's possible. These days the popular way to "put movies on" is to use
> > a Flash-based viewer. Embedding Flash is non-trivial (web search on
> > "Flash satay") but it's understood and valid.The "flash satay" article is deeply bizarre, an example of cargo cult
> coding. The author randomly pokes around with bad, non-standard, generated
> flash embeding, until he comes up with... erm, the obvious way of using
> the object tag (that is, you put the URL of the object you want to embed
> in the "data" attribute), that he would have figured out in 30 seconds if
> he'd looked at the damn standard.
>
> IE has (or had, perhaps) a bug that makes that method sub-optimal (it
> won't start playing the flash movie till the whole thing has downloaded),
> but there's a workaround:http://blog.gilluminate.com/?b=20041208120812.

You can find many variations. The problem with using just a
conventional object and not ActiveX object for the IE is that the
flash movie will not start streaming until it has completed
downloading. This is no problem for a small size movie, but there is
for a large one such as the 20 MB version I used in my example. Since
we do have the IE conditional comments, it is easy enough to route to
a full ActiveX path for IE and route to another path such as a
conventional object for other browsers including the Mozilla family
and Opera. When making a swf, that may include a video and other
material, one has many options. One can build in an automatic link to
another swf, for example - a sort of play list, if you will, just as
you can use a .wvx playlist for WMP or a .rpm playlist for Real. All
of these are part of the properties of the respective media and are
not part of html and thus are not validated by the W3C html validator.
Now if you play a series of swf files that are linked to one another
internally when they are encoded, only the first file in the chain
requires full download on the IE before it starts. Thus if you use a
very small swf, even nearly a blank one, before the big video that
comes next, then the big video will stream normally. This is the basis
for the satay and several other closely related methods.

There is really no one-size-fits-all method for including video. Most
of the big media sites here in the US use Microsoft, Real, or flash
formats for movies. They usually use a special streaming server to
better control even downloading and can support multiple bit rate
streams for various speeds for connections. Often they will
automatically select the best bitrate stream for the viewing browser.
However, all of this is beyond the experience, and often budget, of a
private programmer who only uses a bit of video.

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