Posted by SpaceGirl on 02/28/07 16:15

On Feb 24, 5:25 am, "Steve" <no....@example.com> wrote:
> "Onideus Mad Hatter" <use...@backwater-productions.net> wrote in messagenews:qhdvt2phoinhdbv4brqfqb60g4hueiflmf@4ax.com...
> | On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 08:50:21 -0600, "Steve" <no....@example.com>| wrote:
>
> |
> | >| Well, no, actually it isn't. What I'm asking for is something that
> | >| would essentially go against the very nature of the way it's supposed
> | >| to operate and there might not even BE a way of doing it...and if
> | >| there is it'd likely fall under "web malware 101" as it would
> | >| certainly help that kind out.
> |
> | >i see that when you have difficulties, you blame the technology as the
> | >shortcoming. that's a trend more closely resembling projection.
> 'technology'
> | >and 'other' people get blamed a lot on your behalf.
> |
> | There's no blame, you retard, the technology can only do what it can
> | do, no amount of wishing or bullshit pulled out of yer ass is gonna
> | change it. Also, it's interesting that YOU refer to it as a
> | shortcoming, where as *I* presented it as a SECURITY FEATURE...yer
> | kinda...slow, so I can see as how you might have missed that. ^_^
>
> lol. i brought up security and how you can't count on being able to
> client-side manipulate a bookmark url. member that, dumbass. and the
> statement to 'shortcomings' is not just in the context of this thread. all
> your posts bitch about shortcomings of everyone and everthing...but
> yourself...when it is you causing all your problems to begin with...in case
> you missed that.
>
> | Uh, hello, retard, the OS has NOTHING to do with it, it's the BROWSER.
> | Now either you tell me SPECIFICALLY what browser it is that you think
> | won't work with Flash, or YOU LOOK STUPID. Pick one.
>
> since flash doesn't fully support 64 bit systems yet...uhhh...64 bit
> systems. dumbmass. and btw, flash doesn't install in a browser, in case you
> didn't know. it is the operating system that flash installs on. there's no
> choice with you...you just made YOURSELF look stupid.
>
> plus, not everyone enjoys flash on their systems. so, *any* browser on that
> system would fail to support flash.
>
> gawd damn, you're a tard.
>
> | >wow! is english a second or third language for you?
> |
> | This from the retard who apparently hasn't figured out what the shift
> | key does.
>
> 'tell me when you have removed have your ass have from have your have ass'.
>
> | >i suppose 249K of them have been you accessing it during debug...which
> i'm
> | >sure you do directly on your production server. ;^)
> |
> | Sorry, Retard, but all testing and such is done OFFLINE, locally
> | (although I do sometimes put up beta versions for other people to look
> | at and mess with before the release version is put out).
>
> yet still to production code...thought so. amature.
>
> | >| ...yup, I was right about you, a Hatter Addict. Free cl00, Kiddo,
> | >| this ain't Star Trek and everyone can tell when you're babbling
> | >| nonsense.
> |
> | >you can't comprehend english either.
> |
> | Free cl00, Retard, English, it's CAPITALIZED...woah...English is teh
> | HARD, innt?
>
> c100, teh, HARD, innt ... you are funny and hypocritical at the same time.
>
> | >i don't care what you do to a url, the
> | >server cannot, without mind-reading, know what you want without accessing
> | >the server with that url. your choices then become, loading all the
> server
> | >data onto the client for it to trudge through, or getting the appropriate
> | >data from the server using the url.
> |
> | Well maybe if it was plain HTML/CSS/javascript you would have a point,
> | but I'm talking about a FLASH FILE, which is like a browser in and of
> | itself and certainly DOES NOT require direct alterations to the URL in
> | order to load child SWF files within itself. The Flash file is setup
> | to check the URL for any get variables and to act on them if there
> | are, but it most certainly IS NOT dependant upon it for ITS OWN
> | NAVIGATION.
>
> retard. are you saying you load flash with the world or that, yes, afterall,
> i do have to go back to the server to get data for flash? as far as
> html/css/javascript and flash, you can client-side navigate all day long. i
> don't see why you think flash is superior in some aspect because it can do
> the same. hell, throw ajax in the mix and there's no outstanding difference
> between flash and std. html server requests. duh.

Well, Hatter is kind of trying to emulate what HTML does in Flash,
which is a bit pointless. I don't think his site is engineered at all;
All this stuff he's doing is kinda... backwards. Using URLs to modify
the content in *this* way is a bit weird; I can understand what he's
trying to achieve, but I don't think that Flash is mature enough when
it comes to searchengine accessibility for it to give him the results
he wants without a lot of pointless pain.

Rather than trying to get his Flash site to be indexable in this way,
he should provide all of the content via HTML (which is indexable) and
let Flash do Fancy display things for users who have Flash installed.
One lump of content (XML), displayed via HTML or Flash. Rather than
trying to get Flash to be HTML, which it's clearly not. Bookmarking is
a bit of a bugbear with Flash, but he's barking up the wrong tree
anyway IMO.

> | >| Noticing a trend here, Retard? Eventually even the technologically
> | >| retarded get forced to catch up with the rest of us. And again, the
> | >| site has a plain text fall back version regardless, so your whining is
> | >| very much a moot point.
> |
> | No counter argument, huh?
>
> none needed. you obviously think you are changing the world by forcing flash
> on people. try and make money with your site. suddenly 8% (nice that you
> include the 1.5 months of 2k7, lol) becomes important to you. but you go
> ahead, develop your site...no one is noticing.

Flash penetration dropped a little over the last three months - Vista
(I think) does not ship with a Flash player (unlike earlier versions
of Windows), forcing people with new computers to download Flash by
hand. But the overall trend is a growing number of Flash enabled
users, with Flash enabled browsers.

Having said all of that... Flash is pretty much THE most important web
technology right now, and will grow exponentially over the coming
year. Mainly because of Video, broadcast and other multimedia
technologies it provides to the desktop. If you ignore it, you may
wind up playing catch up while everyone else has moved on. Don't be to
quick to write Flash off.

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