Posted by "david forums" on 06/30/05 15:17

Hi

Concerning php and J2EE, zend platform is providing a solid bridge between
both environment.

This as been specially build for developping big system (banking,
tracking, etc).

regards

david


Le Thu, 30 Jun 2005 13:06:22 +0200, Richard Davey <rich@launchcode.co.uk>
a écrit:

> Hello Andrew,
>
> Thursday, June 30, 2005, 9:15:22 AM, you wrote:
>
> AS> Coldfusion is also free (Blue Dragon) and has just as much support
> AS> as PHP, although. PHP can not run in a J2EE environment, limiting
> AS> it to small scall websites and limiting the prospect of expansion
> AS> or server migration.
>
> You like to tout CF as being J2EE/Enterprise ready. For this the free
> version of Blue Dragon is NOT suitable, by the developers own
> admission. You need the $6000 Enterprise version of CF (and you can
> add on a few more thousand $ for extended support). This is before
> you've bought any of the extra components you need to finish your
> application.
>
> 1) Blue Dragon is also not just a "free" version of CF it would
> appear, even on the developers web site they describe the free version
> as "Functionality is robust and useful for most basic CFML
> applications." - it's the words "most basic" that concern me here.
>
> 2) It doesn't support the newer CF 7 features.
>
> 3) The free version does not deploy into J2EE at all.
>
> 4) It only runs on Windows, OS X or Linux (sorry, but lots of very big
> hosting companies prefer the stability of FreeBSD, Solaris, etc). If
> you want Solaris support it costs $2499 per CPU. If you want FreeBSD
> support, you're stuffed.
>
> 5) It only supports ODBC database connections (via JDBC), so unlike
> PHP you won't be connecting to Oracle, MS SQL, SQLite, etc. MySQL is
> supported, but not built-in.
>
> If you want to do CF seriously, you need to invest thousands and
> that's before you've paid your programmers - this is the bottom
> line.
>
> Perhaps that is why even the Blue Dragon developers themselves claim
> its biggest advantage is: "You've invested heavily in CFML.. so have
> we. Protect your investments." - and how do you protect them? by
> deploying Blue Dragon so you can then interface directly with .NET
> applications rather than migrate totally to them.
>
> This doesn't strike me as being the approach of a growing, competitive
> well supported language. It sounds more like "shit, people have woken
> up to the massive cost of using CF, how can we slow the drop-out
> rate?" if that is Blue Dragons primary selling angle, it says a *lot*
> about the state of serious CF development.
>
> When it comes to investing it think long-term. Zend are
> aggressively attacking the enterprise market and we will see more and
> more movement in this direction, to the point where I am quite sure
> their objective is to make PHP itself enterprise capable *regardless*
> of J2EE. With the rate things change around here, we won't have to
> wait too long. If you don't actually need to build an enterprise scale
> site (and let's face it, that covers most of us) then you're good to
> go with PHP *right now* without actually spending a dime. Take that
> $6000 CF budget, invest it into training for your entire team and
> build your own framework, with the knowledge that no matter what
> happens, your work is safe.
>
> Anyway, time to get back to my project for BMW - just one of those
> "small scall websites" (sic) things I guess?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Richard Davey

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