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Posted by Erwin Moller on 03/30/07 12:48

Toby A Inkster wrote:

Hi Toby,

> Erwin Moller wrote:
>
>> A few day ago I discovered that the euro-sign is not defined in all
>> fontfamilies.
>
> Browsers are *supposed* to switch fonts when they encounter a character
> that does not exist in the current font. Unfortunately, Internet Explorer
> is famously bad at this.

Yes, the 'browser' in question was IE6.

Changing fontfamily to Arial helped, but from a designers point of view it
would have been nicer to have the same font all over the page.

>
>> They cannot produce the right sign no matter if I use € or the
>> hexadecimal equivalent.
>
> Yep -- it's not a problem with the way you've specified the character,
> just a problem that the browser is trying to display it using a font that
> doesn't contain that character.
>
>> After a little research I found I could put font-tags around the
>> euro-sign with another font-family (Arial in this case) to get the Euro
>> sign.
>
> If you care about the symbol being rendered correctly in legacy browsers,
> then this is the best solution. Either change the fonts of your whole
> page, or use a little PHP+HTML+CSS:

It tried to switch to Arial, but my designer doesn't let me change the font
for the site.
These people are so strict!
I stopped asking what is wrong with monospaced fonts, such questions are
dangerous for my wellbeing. ;-)

>
> $str = str_replace('€',
> '<acronym class="e" title="euro">&euro;</acronym>',
> $str);
>
> With CSS:
>
> acronym.e { border-bottom:none; font-family: "Arial"; }
>
> If you use output buffering, then you should be able to do this with
> minimal code changes.
>
> I'm actually doing something fairly similar on a current project, but with
> ampersands instead of euro-signs. I wanted them all rendered in a
> particular font which has an especially nice ampersand, but didn't want
> the rest of the page to appear in that font.
>
> Also, take a look at Jukka's page on the euro sign:
> http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/html/euro.html

Found that page earlier in my quest for the euro.

Thanks for your comment.

Regards,
Erwin Moller

>
> As far as character sets are concerned, do not worry too much. HTML
> documents effectively have two character sets: the one they're transmitted
> in and the one they're translated into by the browser. The one they're
> translated into is always Unicode, so always includes the euro symbol. So
> you just need to worry about the one they're transmitted in -- you've
> chosen ISO-8859-1, which does not include the euro symbol, but all that
> means is that you need to use an entity instead -- you can't just type in
> a raw ?.
>

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