Posted by Mimic on 07/01/05 17:45

Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:

> On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 00:31:59 +0100, Mimic <dev@null.net> wrote:
> the morons I see almost running red lights just so they
> can get to their destination a whole 30 seconds faster. Seriously, is
> it worth it? Take your time, enjoy life, take it all in.
>

Oh I agree, but unfortunately, there are far too many intellectually
deprived people out there to think that way.

>>>>B: take 20years to load.
>
>
>>>I throttled my DSL connection down to only 10KBps and the whole thing
>>>was finished loading in about 45 seconds...that's WAY better than most
>
>
>>Thats nearly a minute :O
>>You should be looking at full load within 30seconds and content within
>>about 8-12. Think to yourself, "If I went to this site, would I wait
>>this long?". Granted this is somewhat different as its a comp and
>>everyone going there knows its going to be media intensive.
>
>
> Bitch, bitch, bitch...fine...
>
> *Hatter fires up his genius level uber l33t master ability.*
>
> http://www.backwater-productions.net/alt.2600/index.html
>
> Original Size - 432KB
>
> New Size - 278KB
>
> There, happy now? I cut it down by 154KB without losing any quality.
> Think you can do any better? Nah, didn't think so, I've never seen
> anyone who could match my skillz in teh graphic encoding
> methodology...no one.
>
>

A [theorectical] saving of about 22seconds. :D

Happier yes ;D No I dont think I can do better, because my style of
webdesign is, clearly, different from yours. Dont you think thats better
now though? Its better, more compressed, faster download times, less
bandwidth consumption :D

>>>all high end multimedia sites and the final version will include a
>>>loading screen (with giant letters saying THIS IS NOT FLASH). The
>
>
>>Very good to hear :D perhaps something along the lines of your floating
>>playable lilypad? Give the user something todo while it loads. I went to
>>one site that had a flash loader for pingpong... kinda gutted when the
>>site came up, I was in the middle of a game :P
>
>
> Now ya see, there's that impatience thing all over again. Maybe
> that's what I'll include, a nice BORING text for all to read about how
> they need to have a lil more patience.

Yep that would be fine, If you havea site that requires time to load,
anything that gives the user something to do is worth while. A load
counter is also a very good idea, just to let people know how long they
do have to wait.


>
>>2 things; why net speed dictate resolution? Im on 56gay (only for a few
>>days mor ethough wh00t) and I run at 1024*768, as do most people I know
>>on 56.
>
>
> ...you actually know people who are on 56k? Wow...honestly I know
> only like one person...and she lives out in the sticks.

2 now. Although I did just get my activation date through this morning.

>
> Although I wasn't saying that speed would dictate res, I was merely
> stating that it makes financial sense from the aspect of most people
> on dialup are on it because they can't afford high speed and if they
> can't afford high speed they're probably also using semi-outdated
> equipment, ie 15 inch monitors that display best at 800x600.
>
> And even if you want to play the card of "some countries don't have
> high speed", well if that's the case they're probably using REALLY
> outdated equipment as their country probably has strict regulations as
> far as technology, so even if they have the money they're still using
> slow connections on outdated equipment.

I see where youre coming from. I was speaking more from the perspective
of the people, like myself, who have more than enough tech, but due to
certain morons *cough*BT*cough*, are unable to get DSL.

Interestingly, there are more people in the UK with DSL than in the
whole of usa. As a percentage of the total populous, I imagine thats
quite impresive :P

>
> And further, at least in the US, you can't really play the "I have
> tons of money, have a new system with a 17" monitor, but don't have
> high speed cause I live out in the sticks" card either because
> satellite Internet is not THAT expensive these days (and I would
> imagine other countries besides the US have such services).

Yeah, cable, Satellite etc are available here too, the only reason I
didnt go for it was at the time it was quite a bit more, and theres a 2
second delay on most systems, so - for gaming - it wouldnt have made
much of a difference to what it is now :P

>
>>I think speed, usability and asthetics should be top of the list :) but
>>thats just me :)
>
>
> Well as far as aesthetics I've pretty much just hammered it right out
> the park.
>
> Speed...couldn't be any better than what I've got it given the graphic
> content and it's uber conservative compared to most sites of it's
> caliber:
> Dial Up - 6KBps ~ 46 Seconds
> Low Speed DSL - 25KBps ~ 11.5 Seconds
> Low Speed Cable - 100KBps ~ 3 Seconds
> High Speed Cable - 300KBps ~ 1 Second

Did you say that before? *I* believe that *YOU* COULD compress it more.
Whether you decide to or not is entirely upto you of course. :)

>
> Usability, well the final version will be totally cross resolution
> compatible, I'd say that's a definite plus. The site requires
> JavaScript, which isn't a problem, only paranoid morons shut
> JavaScript off anyway. Unless we're talkin like unsigned activeX
> controls there's no need to be so anal unless you're being extra
> stupid and visiting sites like www.pornqueenbananzaspamfest.com
> Which is more than likely gonna try and throw every last trick in the
> book at yer browser in order to get it infected with
> something...anything...
>
> To me though maximum usability is the default browser security
> settings. Anything less or more than that is just somebody fuckin
> around who probably shouldn't have been in the first place.
>
>
>>If it doesnt load fast enough - they will leave and never return
>>(hence why i prefer google > msn etc that load all that extra shit I
>>dont need)
>
>
> Google is a tool though, I wouldn't really classify it as a web site
> persay. Tools obviously need to be uber conservative, whether we're
> talkin a webmail interface or a search engine, they need to load uber
> fast, even on a dialup connection.
>
> --
>
> Onideus Mad Hatter
> mhm ¹ x ¹
> http://www.backwater-productions.net


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