Posted by Neredbojias on 06/30/07 09:20

On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 22:09:06 GMT dorayme scribed:

> In article
> <Xns995DE094E8F2Ananopandaneredbojias@198.186.190.161>,
> Neredbojias <neredbojias@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > Now, if something has no lifespan, it cannot be in time.
>>
>> Everything you know, imagine, or feel exists within time.
>
> I was not talking about what you or anyone knows or imagines or
> feels. There are plenty of things that are true that no one
> knows. It just does not make any obvious sense to say about some
> things (I gave an example) that they exist in time.
>
> Anyway, you know what about time? So why would you be insisting
> that everything exists in it. (Is someone paying you Boji to say
> this?). You might as well say everything exists in bright
> daylight but not otherwise.

According to (most) scientists, time did not exist until after the start
of the Big Bang. Ergo, the Banger itself had to exist outside of time
prior to that. This prodigious Banger has been proposed to be a
singularity, but what is the grist of that? Anyway, it would seem the
brainiacs agree with you, although whether you can actually have
something prior to the start of time is an interesting dilemma.

I believe that time is just a euphemism for motion and "prior to" the Big
Bang there was no motion. Now physical reality requires motion; atoms
pulse with "life" and could not exist completely static. Neither could
their constituents in all probability. Therefore, there would *be* no
reality prior to the BB, and this is something almost everyone agrees
with. Of course, I'm speaking of reality as we know it; perhaps there
was God at first after all. A simple musing of faith doesn't solve the
problem rationally, however, because nothing tangible (-including prime
numbers) would exist in a homogeneous, non-cognible environment.

Basically what we have is something springing from nothing. In other
words, before there was something, there was nothing. But it couldn't
have been quite nothing because something somehow, somewhen came from it.
Even an empty container is something. So your insistence that some thing
(s) exist(s) outside of time may very well be true, but whatever it
is/was is (so far, at least) unfathomable from a deductive point of view.
Based on this knowledge, my belief is that if you have just 1 of
something in the absolute (-meaning in a universe with nothing else,) you
may as well have nothing because, based on what we know, there is no
difference. To put it another way, 1 = 0.

--
Neredbojias

Once I had a little dog
Who wagged its tail spritely.
But it walked by the harvestor
And now is shorter slightly.

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