Posted by Neredbojias on 06/30/07 14:34

On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 12:20:12 GMT rf scribed:

>> If time begins at the start of the BB, there is prior about it.
>
> You miss the point. Both of you. Time did not "begin" at the big bang.
> It started to exist, from our point of view. Loose and sloopy I know
> but, lets proceed and hopefully clarify a bit...
>
> The big bang did not "start", so to say that time did not exist until
> after "the start of the big bang" is erroneous. The big bang simply
> is. It is a boundary condition, from our point of view. On our side of
> that boundary time exists. On the other side, well, ?
>
> Mr Hawking opines that the big bang is, indeed, a singularity in our
> concept of space/time. As such one can not state anything at all about
> conditions "on the other side" of that singularity. On this side we
> have time and space as we think we know it. On the other side we
> cannot even conjecture but there is/was/will be probably no such thing
> as time and/or space. For us "the other side" does not exist (from our
> point of view) as it is not accessable to us, but we can be sure that
> different rules apply. There is probably no HTML.
>
> The jury is still out on the "big crunch" at the other end of our
> concept of time. Depends on how much dark matter there is laying
> about, which is still under dispute AFAIK.

You are right, but therein lies my dilemma. I find it unsettling to have
something about which I cannot even conjecture. So, the "other side of
the boundary" is nothing yet it is not nothing. 1 = 0 again, hah! Er, I
thought science was supposed to be precise?

The Church was right: science is heresy.

>> Please stop thinking about these things, they can cause brain
>> damage in the wrong heads.
>
> Not really. A knowledge of higher mathematics makes it quite easy to
> understand. One cannot poke a stick at it, nor explain it clearly to
> the layman, but one can debate it ad nauseum, in the arena of the
> mathematics.

The fact that many people find mathmatics nauseating is hardly debatable
at all.

--
Neredbojias

Once I had a little dog
Who wagged its tail spritely.
But it walked by the harvestor
And now is shorter slightly.

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