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Posted by Jerry Stuckle on 07/16/07 11:05
noidtluom wrote:
> On Jul 15, 8:09 pm, Jerry Stuckle <jstuck...@attglobal.net> wrote:
>> Hadron wrote:
>>> Jerry Stuckle <jstuck...@attglobal.net> writes:
>>>> Hadron wrote:
>>>>> Michael Fesser <neti...@gmx.de> writes:
>>>>>> You are the second one in this thread who obviously didn't read the "not
>>>>>> logged in" in the original post
>>>>> I am reading the "stateless protocol" stuff above and replying to that
>>>>> in the context of PHP.
>>>> Then you're not understanding what "stateless protocol" means.
>>>> .
>>>>>> And what does session counting tell you? Sessions can be open for hours
>>>>>> without any user interaction. The user could have died already in front
>>>>>> of his monitor and his session would still be open.
>>>>> That's not the issue. Clearly something on a server cant know IF he is
>>>>> reading the page or not. You can only go on the connections.
>>>> This is correct.
>>> Good. Because that is ALL this is about.
>> Yes, now if you could just get your head out of your arse so you could
>> understand the rest.
>>
>>>>> "Currently online" has a meaning - and that is that HIS PC is
>>>>> connected. The rest is guesswork.
>>>> There is no way to know if someone si "currently online". All you
>>>> know is he was online when he last requested a page. Anything else is
>>>> a guess.
>>> Jesus H Christ.
>> Showing your lack of IQ, again? That's the only reason I can understand
>> to bring His name into this discussion.
>>
>>> Yes. But he IS connected. The session IS open. Whether he is physically
>>> sat there is something we can NEVER know.
>> No, he is not. All you know is that he was connected when he made the
>> request. Period. No more. No less.
>>
>> The session may be open - but that doesn't mean he's doing anything with
>> your site. All it means is that you haven't bothered to clean up the
>> mess he left yet.
>>
>>>>>> Whatever way you go - it's always just guessing. So why bother at all?
>>>>> Absolute tosh.
>>>> Yep, your concept is absolute tosh.
>>> Balderdash.
>> Only in your mind and that of those otherwise completely lacking in
>> understanding about how the Internet works. Fortunately, most of us are
>> more informed - and more intelligent - than you.
>>
>>>>>> Why show a questionable "information" that is of absolutely no use for
>>>>>> the visitor? Just to show how cool and active the "community" is? If you
>>>>>> want that you can use rand() - it's much easier than all others
>>>>>> methods.
>>>>> As I said - you are clueless.
>>>> Yep, you are totally clueless. You have absolutely no idea how this
>>>> works, and think you can pull the wool over experienced programmers'
>>>> eyes.
>>> What ARE you talking about? I have implemented session based web sites.
>> So? You've implemented sessions. Bully for you. It's something
>> anyone with a second grade education and a computer can do.
>>
>> It doesn't mean you have any idea what you're talking about. But your
>> other posts here have proven you don't.
>>
>>>> You can do it to clueless clients. But you can't do it here.
>>>> And I pity those clients.
>>> Ye gods. Go get a clue.
>> Yep, I agree. You need to get a clue.
>>
>> Suggestion - learn from those in this newsgroup who know more than you.
>> But I know you won't. Your kind never do.
>>
>> And unfortunately, you create a bad name for the rest of us who really
>> do know what's going on. But we do our best to expose your fraud.
>>
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>> Jerry Stuckle
>> JDS Computer Training Corp.
>> jstuck...@attglobal.net
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> Hello there,
> Sorry if I have not read the whole topic and this hasn't been answered
> before, but here is my technique. It's rather a simple hack.
> On a page, I would simply register the IP address and the current time
> that the page was pinged in a mysql database. Then whenever somebody
> viewed a page, it would check for any records in that database within
> so many seconds. If it was within that range, it would say this person
> was online. So you would simply have to just give the total number of
> records.
> Cheers.
>
> As for the HTTP stuff, I seriously don't think it is very related,
> this is a practical question, not theory.
>
Even less reliable. What do you do about corporate users - where
everyone shares one (or two) ip addresses (the proxies/gateways)?
Or very large corporations and ISP's (like AOL) which have a whole bunch
of proxies, and every request can come from a different IP address?
IP addresses are even less reliable than sessions.
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