Posted by rf on 07/16/07 12:10

"Jerry Stuckle" <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote in message
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> noidtluom wrote:
>> On Jul 15, 8:09 pm, Jerry Stuckle <jstuck...@attglobal.net> wrote:
>>> Hadron wrote:
>>>> Jerry Stuckle <jstuck...@attglobal.net> writes:
>>>>> Hadron wrote:
>>>>>> Michael Fesser <neti...@gmx.de> writes:
>>>>>>> You are the second one in this thread who obviously didn't read the
>>>>>>> "not
>>>>>>> logged in" in the original post
>>>>>> I am reading the "stateless protocol" stuff above and replying to
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> in the context of PHP.
>>>>> Then you're not understanding what "stateless protocol" means.
>>>>> .
>>>>>>> And what does session counting tell you? Sessions can be open for
>>>>>>> hours
>>>>>>> without any user interaction. The user could have died already in
>>>>>>> front
>>>>>>> of his monitor and his session would still be open.
>>>>>> That's not the issue. Clearly something on a server cant know IF he
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> reading the page or not. You can only go on the connections.
>>>>> This is correct.
>>>> Good. Because that is ALL this is about.
>>> Yes, now if you could just get your head out of your arse so you could
>>> understand the rest.
>>>
>>>>>> "Currently online" has a meaning - and that is that HIS PC is
>>>>>> connected. The rest is guesswork.
>>>>> There is no way to know if someone si "currently online". All you
>>>>> know is he was online when he last requested a page. Anything else is
>>>>> a guess.
>>>> Jesus H Christ.
>>> Showing your lack of IQ, again? That's the only reason I can understand
>>> to bring His name into this discussion.
>>>
>>>> Yes. But he IS connected. The session IS open. Whether he is physically
>>>> sat there is something we can NEVER know.
>>> No, he is not. All you know is that he was connected when he made the
>>> request. Period. No more. No less.
>>>
>>> The session may be open - but that doesn't mean he's doing anything with
>>> your site. All it means is that you haven't bothered to clean up the
>>> mess he left yet.
>>>
>>>>>>> Whatever way you go - it's always just guessing. So why bother at
>>>>>>> all?
>>>>>> Absolute tosh.
>>>>> Yep, your concept is absolute tosh.
>>>> Balderdash.
>>> Only in your mind and that of those otherwise completely lacking in
>>> understanding about how the Internet works. Fortunately, most of us are
>>> more informed - and more intelligent - than you.
>>>
>>>>>>> Why show a questionable "information" that is of absolutely no use
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> the visitor? Just to show how cool and active the "community" is? If
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> want that you can use rand() - it's much easier than all others
>>>>>>> methods.
>>>>>> As I said - you are clueless.
>>>>> Yep, you are totally clueless. You have absolutely no idea how this
>>>>> works, and think you can pull the wool over experienced programmers'
>>>>> eyes.
>>>> What ARE you talking about? I have implemented session based web sites.
>>> So? You've implemented sessions. Bully for you. It's something
>>> anyone with a second grade education and a computer can do.
>>>
>>> It doesn't mean you have any idea what you're talking about. But your
>>> other posts here have proven you don't.
>>>
>>>>> You can do it to clueless clients. But you can't do it here.
>>>>> And I pity those clients.
>>>> Ye gods. Go get a clue.
>>> Yep, I agree. You need to get a clue.
>>>
>>> Suggestion - learn from those in this newsgroup who know more than you.
>>> But I know you won't. Your kind never do.
>>>
>>> And unfortunately, you create a bad name for the rest of us who really
>>> do know what's going on. But we do our best to expose your fraud.
>>>
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>>> Remove the "x" from my email address
>>> Jerry Stuckle
>>> JDS Computer Training Corp.
>>> jstuck...@attglobal.net
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>>
>> Hello there,
>> Sorry if I have not read the whole topic and this hasn't been answered
>> before, but here is my technique. It's rather a simple hack.
>> On a page, I would simply register the IP address and the current time
>> that the page was pinged in a mysql database. Then whenever somebody
>> viewed a page, it would check for any records in that database within
>> so many seconds. If it was within that range, it would say this person
>> was online. So you would simply have to just give the total number of
>> records.
>> Cheers.
>>
>> As for the HTTP stuff, I seriously don't think it is very related,
>> this is a practical question, not theory.
>>
>
> Even less reliable. What do you do about corporate users - where everyone
> shares one (or two) ip addresses (the proxies/gateways)?
>
> Or very large corporations and ISP's (like AOL) which have a whole bunch
> of proxies, and every request can come from a different IP address?
>
> IP addresses are even less reliable than sessions.
>
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> Remove the "x" from my email address
> Jerry Stuckle
> JDS Computer Training Corp.
> jstucklex@attglobal.net
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