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Posted by cwdjrxyz on 07/20/07 18:10
On Jul 20, 3:10 am, "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorp...@cs.tut.fi> wrote:
> Scripsit cwdjrxyz:
>
> > In html(notxhtml) closing of several tags such as <p></p> is optional.
>
> It seems that you don't know what "tag" means. Besides, you are not using
> any paragraph structure in your Usenet message.
>
> > However in xml based languages, everything must be closed. This is one
> > of the most important things to do, especially for many small devices,
> > some of which do not even understand html and which often will not
> > work if everything is not closed..
>
> People using such devices won't have a great experience on the Web anyway,
> since the vast majority of web pages are nowhere near valid XHTML, or even
> "well-formed XML".
This may be so where you live, but where I live very many people use
small devices. Many of these people have used a PC for a long time. A
few have used top main frame computers such as a Cray, such as
installed in the computing building of a major petroleum company a few
blocks from where I live.
>
> Yet the point is what I wrote in my message that you responded to, and
> indirectly quoted (as a quote inside a quote), though without having
> anything to say on my point: mixing HTML 4.01 and XHTML 1.0 is clueless. And
> as exemplified in this thread, it often results from copying markup without
> understanding it or the bigger context.
In an answer to your comments, Odev gave information that you do not
quote here. It is:
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On Jul 16, 5:01 pm, "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorp...@cs.tut.fi> wrote:
> These days, such document errors typically reflect the common cluelessness
> of mixing HTML and XHTML. Using e.g. <meta ... /> in an HTML 4.01 document
> means, by specifications, that the "/" closes the meta tag and ">" is
> character data, which thus implicitly closes the head element and opens the
> body element. This goes, of course, far above the heads of authors who blame
> a validator for their own errors.
No need to be rude. Thanks for the tip though.
The closed meta tag was copied and pasted from Google's Webmaster
Control Panel. I assumed that closing all elements in HTML was
optional (e.g. closing tag of </p> is optional)
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Some others than Odev might consider your response to this and some
other posts from you rude. However, one might ask why your responses
should be considered very important. Surely someone with such an
attitude should write nearly perfect web pages. See below.
>
> --
> Jukka K. Korpela ("Yucca")http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/
The main page to the site that you quote above has no errors. I assume
the site belongs to you, or perhaps a relative, because jkorpela is in
the url. If one looks at the many pages in the above site using the
W3C html validator, one finds quite a few errors. Surely someone
offering minute details and opinions on writing web pages should use
completely valid html in the many pages describing this, regardless of
who owns the pages. Below is a listing of the number of errors, if
any, found in the mentioned site.
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/www.html - 6 errors
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/internet/index.html - 1 error
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/comm/index.html - 1 error
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/chars/index.html - 3 errors
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/chars/index.html - 3 errors
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/lang/index.html - 1 error
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/mathem/index.html - 1 error
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/soft/index.html - 2 errors
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/prog/index.html - 3 errors
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/legal/index.html - 1 error
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/misc/index.html - 3 errors
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/wwwfi.html - no errors
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/internetfi/index.html - 1 error
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/viest/index.html - no errors
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/merkit/index.html - 1 error
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/normit/index.html - no errors
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/kielet/index.html - no errors
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/matikka/index.html - no errors
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/softa/index.html - 2 errors
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/ohjelmointi/index.html - no errors
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/lait/index.html - no errors
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/muut/index.html - no errors
The pages in Finnish have fewer errors than those in English. However,
I would guess that far more people read the English pages than the
Finnish ones. Actually there are few errors compared to much of what
you find on the web. I recently looked at a page on MySpace.com that
had well over 200 validation errors, and most of these were made in
the MySpace code, not extra code added by the member of MySpace.
Perhaps, in summary, let he who is without guilt cast the first stone.
But since this is Usenet, many likely are aware that the theme song
for Usenet is the old song "Anything Goes".
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