Posted by Mimic on 07/19/05 02:25

Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:

> On 15 Jul 2005 21:35:46 +0200, ThePsyko <ThePsyko@itookmyprozac.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>On 15 Jul 2005 in alt.2600, Onideus Mad Hatter
>><usenet@backwater-productions.net> made their contribution to mankind by
>>stating in news:po3gd110illjvlljlohbile5o6f5hc5prk@4ax.com:
>>
>>
>>>On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 12:53:48 GMT, Michael Winter
>>><m.winter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On 14/07/2005 23:41, ^reaper^ wrote:
>>>>
>>>>[snip]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Thanks for the input, Michael.
>>>>
>>>>You're welcome, though Mike will do. :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Wrt to the other (globals, arrays, and bears, oh my!), making the
>>>>>changes you suggested makes little sense in context of requiring
>>>>>more complex serverside processing.
>>>>
>>>>Moving to an Object instance is about as complicated as changing:
>>>>
>>>> ... = new Array(); or = [];
>>>>
>>>>to:
>>>>
>>>> ... = new Object(); or = {};
>>>>
>>>>I'd double check, but I can't seem to access anything at the moment,
>>>>so I'd take that with a pince of salt for now if I were you.
>>>>
>>>>Creating a proper Map object would be more involved, yes, but a more
>>>>robust solution.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Furhtermore, I'm not seeing where replacing the canvas overlay divs
>>>>>with a table buys me anything.
>>>>
>>>>I like structure. Don't know about you. Using a table would also allow
>>>>you to remove the id attributes as you could use the cells and rows
>>>>collections to access the elements like an array. If the 'addresses'
>>>>are computed server-side, rather than a long list of literal y0x0,
>>>>y0x1, etc., this approach would be similar and the calculation could
>>>>be performed on the client.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Whereas for teh table, I would need to set row height and column
>>>>>width for each cell (which is, of course also easily computed)
>>>>
>>>>Despite the comment in brackets, you seem to be painting that as more
>>>>complicated than it is. As I recall, the symbol table is evenly
>>>>spaced, so the columns would be of equal width, and you know exactly
>>>>how high each row needs to be. As I see it, you don't need to do any
>>>>calculations at all.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>In fact, I did just such a thing for the menu (e.g., using a table
>>>>>for teh overlay). As you can see, when viewing teh page in firefox,
>>>>>the table ends up scrunched to the left (even with explicitly stated
>>>>>table & column widths).
>>>>
>>>>The problem, as I said in my previous post, is that the positioned
>>>>container DIV element doesn't have an explicit width. Without being
>>>>able to see the markup again I can't say exactly why that's so.
>>>
>>>...um, that's why God invented style sheets. DIV in and of itself
>>>doesn't really do anything without style sheets. Really, there is no
>>>sane reason why ANYONE should be using tables anymore, that's just
>>>archaic, sloppy, imprecise web design at its best.
>>>
>>
>>Sure there is a reason.. I use tables on my site because I don't really
>>care to take the time to learn something more when they work just fine
>>for me. I'm not a web designer (obviously lol), and would rather take
>>the time that would be spent learning CSS and use it to learn something
>>I'm more interested in (such as PHP/mySQL or just about anything really
>>:)
>
>
> D00d, it only takes like 5 minutes to learn...and besides, you can't
> really do anything "cool" in PHP or any other scripting language for
> that matter until you comprehend style sheets. Like all the little
> pretties you see on my sites, most of them work simply be using a
> scripting language to alter style sheet properties on the various
> division layers that make up the site. You might think of your
> website as like a puppet, in which case PHP, JavaScript, etc would be
> the wooden controlling rods at the top...but style sheets are
> definitely the strings. Without the strings...yer site ain't goin no
> where.
>
> --
>
> Onideus Mad Hatter
> mhm ¹ x ¹
> http://www.backwater-productions.net

Personally Id say PHP and sql are the strings
CSS is the clothes :P

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