Posted by Jerry Stuckle on 09/18/07 21:58

Steve wrote:
> "Jerry Stuckle" <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:jtOdnUEcBZMqYXLbnZ2dnUVZ_vyinZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Shelly wrote:
>>> "Steve" <no.one@example.com> wrote in message
>>> news:gfPHi.28$zy3.22@newsfe02.lga...
>>>>> And BTW - atheism is a religion, also. This is conveniently
>>>>> "overlooked" by those espousing it in the name of "freedom". But many
>>>>> atheists are trying to force their religion on the rest of the country.
>>>> if you're not an atheist, don't presume to know what it is outside of a
>>>> proper dictionary definition.
>>>>
>>>> atheism is the lack of belief in god or gods.
>>> Sorry, Steve, but you have to give the devil his due here. From
>>> www.m-w.com
>>>
>>> Main Entry: athe·ism
>>> Pronunciation: 'A-thE-"i-z&m
>>> Function: noun
>>> Etymology: Middle French athéisme, from athée atheist, from Greek atheos
>>> godless, from a- + theos god
>>> 1 archaic : UNGODLINESS, WICKEDNESS
>>> 2 a : a disbelief in the existence of deity b : the doctrine that there
>>> is no deity
>>>
>>> To me those are declarative statements and not passive ones. It is a
>>> "disbelief" rather than a "lack of belief". Also, when you mix
>>> "doctrine" with theology you have "religion".
>>>
>>> The point though that Jerry is trying to make is totally wrong, however.
>>> Having an atheist in there, and not allowing mixing of standard religion
>>> with politics is NOT forcing the "religion" of atheism on anyone.
>>> Everyone is free to believe and practice as they wish -- just not mix it
>>> into politics. My earlier statement of the flourishing of religion in
>>> the USA **BECAUSE** of the separation and freedom goes to that point.
>>>
>> I'm not saying there has to be a mix of religion and politics. But I am
>> saying the President is also a citizen, and welcome to practice his
>> beliefs.
>>
>> Personally, I would rather have a President with certain moral values
>> which are taught by religion. He could be Christian (my belief), Jewish,
>> Muslim or any of a number of different religions which share those same
>> core values. I'm not saying I would not vote for an atheist, but it is
>> one of the things I take into consideration when looking at candidates.
>>
>> Not to say all people who are religious follow those values - take Clinton
>> for example - getting caught with his pants down (literally). That is
>> something that I, as a Christian, have never done and will never do, and I
>> find that behavior abhorrent. My values are higher than that.
>
> you are, intentionally or not, saying that atheists have no morals...or ones
> that are substandard to religious orthodoxy. what a crock of shit!
>

Get off your high horse. I said nothing of the sort.

Maybe you need to go back to first grade and learn to read again.


> if anything, i realize as an atheist that i don't get the luxury of an
> afterlife, that my meaning is limited to this lifetime and what things i
> engage in here and now. i have probably an even more profound sense of the
> precious nature of life than do you, since i'm not getting another shot at
> it...ever. my 'meaning' in life is found by helping others. that's it. it's
> that simple. tell me that is something counter to ANY religion. if i base
> all of my decisions on that singular premise, then i've met the core
> requirements of ALL religions...and without any need of a god or gods as
> impetous to do so.
>
> take you pompous head out of your agitated sphinter, you close-minded,
> superiority complexed bastard.
>
>

Stop being so overly sensitive and read what I wrote. Not what you want
to take offense at.

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