Posted by Onideus Mad Hatter on 09/19/07 23:23

On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 23:39:49 +0100, SpaceGirl
<nothespacegirlspam@subhuman.net> wrote:

>Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
>> On 19 Sep 2007 21:44:20 GMT, Neredbojias <monstersquasher@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>
>> Sorry kid, but the real future is a Flash front end with an XML
>> backend that can be picked up by search engines and delivered to other
>> sites via RSS and other XML dialects. That backend increases the
>> access to the design far more efficiently than any HTML based form
>> could ever dream of and using Flash as a front end allows you to
>> create highly stylized, design rich environments that compliment and
>> enhance the content delivery.
>
>I'm glad you finally caught up with XML! I told you it was fab :)

Well it was either XML or HTML, one of 'em had to go...so I threw out
the more derivative, deficient form of SGML and kept the better one.
There's simply no need for the both of them and you can do far more
with XML than you can with HTML.

>Personally I do NOT think Flash is the answer to everything; while 99%
>of my work is now Flash based, that's for very specific projects,
>clients and markets. Flash would truly be "the future" if you could
>successfully replace, say, google.com with it and not loose any
>functionality. Sadly, Flash just isn't that sort of platform (yet!).

....why not? I mean, recreating the Google site in Flash would be
exceeding simplistic, it would require almost no effort nor ingenuity
at all since you're pretty much designing it with no complex
interface. And the form would be VASTLY superior in that it could be
made perfect liquid in design, scaling the search result text and
properly anti-aliasing it to look its best on your monitor.

I don't understand why you and many others think that porting
something so uber simplistic as Google would even be anything more
than a sneeze of an effort. In fact...you know what...I think I will
actually. At one point I did create an alternate, customized Google
search site that ran queries on their server and then returned the
results to my custom page...I should just take that thing and
reconstruct it in Flash. LOL, it'll be great, I can use it to bitch
slap all the Flash nay-sayers in six or eight different directions.

Thanks for the great idea, Spacey! ^_^

>The future is not about any one technology; it's about the application
>of complimentary technologies, a mix and match of what best addresses
>your needs, whether that is Flash+XML/Flex or DHTML+AJAX or WFP+VBS...
>it doesn't really matter.

....it really, really, really, REALLY does matter though. I think its
been too long since you designed a DHTML+AJAX site, Spacey. I think
you ought to try one out just so you can remember why you started
using Flash for all your sites. Remember having to do all that
browser/OS checking? LOL

Compatibility is what makes it all matter. With Flash, you know it's
compatible, it simply is, it takes ALL the guess work out of the whole
process and speeds up creation time ten fold. Or did you forget how
much fun it was to get alpha transparent images to work with an
DHTML+AJAX form? Remember having to put in all kinds of browser/os
specific code? Remember having to juggle multiple versions of the
site for different browsers? Then again maybe you were the type who
simply said, "fuck it" and limited yourself to 16 and 24 bit flat,
bloated images (amongst a whole slew of other design compromises).
The bottom line is that ANYTHING that can be done with DHTML+AJAX can
be done BETTER with Flash (not to mention quicker)...if you know how.

>>> Flash
>>> definitely has its place, but Abode is typically and predictably
>>> undermining that right on schedule.
>>
>> See, right there, you don't even know what the hell you're talking
>> about. Adobe has made much of the Flash development environment free
>> for the taking and are edging closer and closer to making it
>> completely open, allowing any third party to easily create their own
>> Flash content builders. As is the case with such programs like
>> SwishMax.

>Adobe are moving in the right direction with the opening up of the
>development platforms (specifically Flex, which is just amazing), but a
>lot more needs to be done. It's not *truly* open, and it's not truly
>cross platform.

Well, it's open enough. One of the major downfalls of HTML is that it
was TOO open, which is where all the cross compatibility issues arose.
If Flash is ever made COMPLETELY open...it'll likely destroy itself in
the same way that HTML has destroyed itself...REAL slow...REAL
painful. *nods*

Oh and as for cross compatibility...sorry Cupcake, but that hole's
been filed since July 10th:
http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/

"Adobe delivers Flash Player 9 for Solaris Sparc and Solaris x86
platforms."

LOL...maybe now you doorknobs will start griping that's it's not
compatible with Windows 3.11 or yer fuckin Commodore 64. *snicker*

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