Posted by SpaceGirl on 09/28/07 12:32

On Sep 28, 1:22 pm, Jerry Stuckle <jstuck...@attglobal.net> wrote:
> Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
> > On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 07:21:31 -0400, Jerry Stuckle
> > <jstuck...@attglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >> As long as you know that many users (current estimate about 10%) run
> >> with JS turned off. And even if it's on, anything supplied by the
> >> browser (i.e referer, browser/system info, etc.) is questionable.
>
> > Actually current estimates are below 4% (and dropping 2% every six
> > months) and really, none of my sites, like nearly EVERY site these
> > days will work without javascript. In some cases I'll have them
> > retard back to a plain text version of the site if
> > javascript/flash/etc has been disabled, but that's about all the
> > effort I'm willing to invest for the Amish of the Internet.
>
> Not from any reliable source I've seen. 10% and rising. Too many
> popups and lots of other things. It's not the Amish - it's the smart
> people who know how to turn off javascript who do it.
>
> Javascript should always be used to enhance the experience - but never
> be required for the experience.
>
> > Essentially your concern is that people without computers won't be
> > able to see my site. And my response is, "No, really?! Who the fuck
> > woulda guessed?"
>
> Bullshit. But if you want to turn away 10% of all internet users (and
> the business they bring), it's your loss, not mine. Or at least I
> *hope* it's your loss, and not some client who doesn't have a clue.
>
> > I mean you don't go bitching to a car manufacturer that his product
> > isn't going to sell very well to the Amish. Of course it's not gonna
> > fuckin sell to 'em, THEY'RE AMISH! What the fuck man, what are you
> > Captain Jesus Raping Obvious?
>
> You really have no clue, do you?
>

The pair of you are generalising horribly. JS and Flash usages can be
measured 100 different ways if you look at 100 different markets. Over
all, most people have JS and 98% of people have Flash 9. However how
many of those people actually have it enabled varies considerably
depending on where you look, who you ask, who your audience is. It's
perfectly fine to turn away x% of an *potential* audience if they are
not likely to be interested in the subject/market your site is for.
Loose 10-20% of all WWW users to meet 99% of the needs of your
specific audience? I'd rather create more focused experiences than
dilute web site content so everyone can access it.*


*this is also a poor generalisation, oh well! :)

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