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Posted by SpaceGirl on 10/01/07 19:14
Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
>> Who visits that site other than developers and designers? So, how are
>> their stats even vaguely representative of average users?
>
> Oh Spacey, you have GOT to be completely the fuck out of yer head
> today:
> http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?url=www.w3schools.com
So?
You really think your mom would visit a W3C site? No. So her "vote"
(hit" would not count. Just how many people are likely to go to these
site who aren't involved in the industry in some way? What percentage of
the 300,000,000 internet users there are actually go to this site?
>
> I mean, what the fuck girl? Check the shit out before you run at the
> mouth, that's like rule number one in the tech biz.
>
>>>> 10% and rising.
>>> Cite your source, Doofy.
>
>> Cite yours. The W3CSchools site is not relevant.
>
> Yeah, an Alexia ranking of SIX HUNDRED THIRTY FIVE...boy THAT'S not a
You moron... Alexia is even worse! :D It only counts people who have the
Alexia bar installed... which is practically nobody LOL.
> relevant site. Oh hey, why don't we check YOUR Alexia rating!
>
> http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?url=www.bitesizedjapan.com
> Uh oh, you seem to be floating up there around FOUR MILLION. *nods*
LOL Amazed it's even that good, seeing as it's not launched.
>> I actually thing you are right, but it very much depends on your
>> market.
>
> No, it REALLY the fuck doesn't.
Of course it does. Get stats from universities you're likely to see very
high numbers for Linux and other off-beat OS's and browsers. Different
markets are more/less likely to use different platforms, so will always
sway your stats.
The kinds of people who visit W3C related sites are not average users.
> Just in case reality hasn't penetrated yer thick fuckin skull yet,
> here's that link, ONE MORE TIME:
> http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?url=www.w3schools.com
So?
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?url=www.bbc.co.uk
There are around 300 million web users in the world. I doubt even 10% of
them visit Alexa (I don't know, happy to be given a real figure), and I
bet not even 1% of them visit w3schools.com. So, you are basing your
stats on a tiny fraction of the world audience.
However, if you were to measure the percentage of all the web designers
in the world, it'd be much higher obviously, as they have an interest in
the site - so they will visit it, their hits get counted.
>> Cite your source. 90%? The worlds most popular sites (bbc.co.uk and
>> google.com) both work without JS. While not all of their content is
>> visible without JS, they don't "magically become beyond reach".
>
> Even MY site will "work" without javascript
So your site is not one of the 90% that you said will disappear if there
was no JS. Good for you.
> (do note the lack of
> capitals, amateur).
Damn you got me. You better tell ECMA then, the people behind the
standard (JS is an ECMA standard, like AS3):
http://www.ecma.com
And Microsoft:
http://search.microsoft.com/results.aspx?mkt=en-US&form=MSHOME&setlang=en-US&q=javascript&x=0&y=0
And Adobe:
http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/search/index.cfm?loc=en_us&term=javascript
And Mozilla:
http://www.google.com/custom?cx=002443141534113389537%3Aysdmevkkknw&cof=AH%3Aleft%3BALC%3A%230000CC%3BBGC%3A%23FFFFFF%3BCX%3Amozilla%252Eorg%3BDIV%3A%23CC0000%3BFORID%3A0%3BGALT%3A%23008000%3BGFNT%3A%23000000%3BGIMP%3A%23000000%3BL%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Emozilla%2Eorg%2Fimages%2Fmlogosm%2Egif%3BLC%3A%230000CC%3BLH%3A60%3BLP%3A1%3BS%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Emozilla%2Eorg%3BT%3A%23000000%3BVLC%3A%23663399%3B&q=javascript&adkw=AELymgVm5MllHYR6NCnnwQHYwYGYyVsnmTKNj2jKRTH4V52hKti0-Y6T4jjapLfj8GIUyRa1WBY1klgjJWlz0b9ap5D7hZqGZpk8vqEzHGh0cH_QdpGQWWNN_q6bRuLZbP68ViRScN_TvqspsUxsaWC8tit_apFykJNQ2rKOAkGVY_04CTnFgrb09_Ro7eZ7lGhW33ADyBYe&hl=en&client=google-coop-np
And W3Schools:
http://www.google.com/search?sitesearch=www.w3schools.com&as_q=javascript
Need I go on?
http://searchwebservices.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid26_gci212418,00.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=javascript&fulltext=fulltext&sourceid=mozilla-search
Seems the entire world has it wrong, but I'm sure you'll fix it for them.
> In case you were too damn thick to notice there's
> actually a whole gawd damn shit load of javascript on pretty much ALL
> of Google's sites. Oh but I bet they just put that in there for the
> fun of it, it doesn't really do anything, huh Spacey? *nods*
Yes. There are plenty of sites that won't work without JS. But not the
90% you claim. Almost all the sites we do have JS all over them too.
Some of them may not work without it :)
> BTW, I don't think I properly bitch slapped you the last time you
> tried to claim that javascript is capitalized, so please, try and
> claim otherwise again and I'll go ahead and slap you up long side yer
> head with what a fuckin n00b level miscomprehension that is. ^_^
I just gave you a list of the people behind the language, who all refer
to it as JavaScript. List me similar official sites or standards
agencies that conflict with it please?
>> How often do people in cyber cafe's visit that site? Or school kids,
>> or office workers, or people on library computers, or folks at home
>> doing online shopping etc etc. The site is not in the least bit
>> representative of general users - it only represents people who are
>> likely to visit their site (and the other technical sites they gather
>> stats from).
>
> Here's reality!
>
> http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?url=www.w3schools.com
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?url=www.bbc.co.uk
The worlds 2nd busy web site... (and works without JS)
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?url=www.google.com
The worlds busiest site (and works without JS)
> Bitch slapping you the fuck across yer face since birth. *nods*
Only in your wet dreams :)
>> "You cannot - as a web developer - rely only on statistics. Statistics
>> can often be misleading.
>
> Uh, not this one, Kiddo. This is pretty much the fuck set in stone.
They say that on their own site! You really do earn your handle :)
>> Global averages may not always be relevant to your web site.
>
> And amazingly enough Alexia can actually track by country, isn't that
> neat? ^_^
Doesn't every stats package?
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