Posted by Brendan Gillatt on 10/07/07 18:51

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Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
> On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 11:20:41 +0200, "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
>>
>>>> Flash is not good as a primary design element.
>>> Actually Flash is the perfect user front end. It's the most cross
>>> compatible solution that currently exists and the number of features
>>> it supports over other forms is impressive to say the least.
>> Flash is only cross compatible within the microsoft family, the support of
>> alternative operating systems are limited and nowadays only the "x86 CPU"
>> family is supported, which includes that not all versions of an operating
>> system is supported even if Adobe makes a wrongful claim to support a OS, this
>> includes microsoft too, no support for Alpha, MIPS or PowerPC versions (yeah,
>> those are quite ancient nowadays, but keep in mind that there are still people
>> using ms-dos).
>
> And I'm sure there are still some retards using a horse to plow their
> fields...you know, THE AMISH!

I'm sure there are many, many more people in this world that use animals
to plough their fields than those who have the wealth to use tractors.
It's good to know that you think outside your little world now and then.

> With anything there are tools for the job...some tools get the job
> done better, quicker, faster...problem is some retards are just too
> damn slow to keep up.
>
> Your argument is as absurd as bitching that your old black and white
> television can't show color...of course it can't show color it's a
> gawd damn black and white piece of shit you fuckin idiot! Wait, no,
> even better, your argument is like bitching that you can't get hi-def
> on the television you bought back in the early 80s! LOL

I really don't follow. Java, as rich content is far, far more powerful
and flexible than flash can hope to be. Simply because of the fact that
it doesn't need to be dumbed down for people that don't care to look
outside the box (ad their nice drag and drop ide).

>> There been a few open source based projects to give some flash support to all
>> those that Adobe don't want to have flash, but they are quite outdated, as
>> Adobe ain't the one to share specifications.
>
> Why would they?

So that the success of sites based on flash can potentially reach as
many people as Java can already do.

> I mean, it wouldn't matter. Like I said, hi-def on a
> 80s television just ain't gonna happen, Stupid. It's not a question
> of development it's a question of CAPABILITY. It's like you're
> bitching and moaning that you can't deep fry something with your
> microwave.

Actually you can if you have an emulsion to fry it in.

>> If you want to support as many as possible, then use plain HTML,
>
> Sorry dipshit, but the Web has moved on.

Not as far as you seem to insist. There still isn't support for flash in
the majority of operating systems.

> No longer are sites limited
> to static text and images, people are actually building complex ONLINE
> PROGRAMS and none of that can be done using plain HTML.

I quite agree - it requires HTML and Javascript to build web
applications. Flash doesn't come into this at all.

For informative pages not even javascript is required, let alone a slug
like Flash.

> Your idea is to limit the development and capability of a site in
> order to cater to a few screwed up dipshits who want to live like the
> Amish.

No I'm pretty sure his idea is to produce standards compliant, far
reaching pages that don't take until the end of time to load over 56K
and which don't have the problem of vendor lock in.

> You can live like the Amish, Stupid, no one is stopping
> you...but don't get all indignant and pissy when no one else signs on
> for your little bandwagon back to 1990.

You ARE the guy that is still using HTML 3.2 aren't you?

>> or Java (not JavaScript/jscript), as Sun has made Java free, so there is a more likelihood
>> that you see Java than Flash to a smaller OS.
>
> WRONG!
>
> Java doesn't update as easily as Flash

It sure does! It asks you to update when something isn't supported...
you click yes. Simple.

> and Java isn't a requirement on
> highly mainstream sites like YouTube

Congratulations. Flash also isn't a requirement on various other sites.

> thus, its market penetrate is
> weak as can be as far as your average end user is concerned

No it isn't. Windows comes shipped with MS's version of Java - more than
can be said about flash.

> making
> Java a very poor choice over Flash. Not to mention that Flash is
> capable of a whole fuckin slew of shit that Java can't even begin to
> touch.

For example?

Running Java code is so much faster than Action Script that you could
write all the routines available in flash in java and probably still get
better speed.

> Really it's like you're trying to compare a used Pinto to a
> Ferrari (at least as far as the web).

No, no you don't understand - flash is slower than java. There is no way
that you could prove otherwise. Never. Ever.

> Java is great for a lot of
> stuff, but a user front end of a website sure the fuck ain't one of
> 'em.

Only because lazy as hell pseudo-programmers like yourself can only deal
with drag and drop design.

>> But of course those who can't type / in a path name, but has to use \, they
>> don't understand importance of making things as general as possible, so that
>> people can have their freedom to choose instead of making a thief richer.
>
> You're a stupid dipshit, plain and simple. You try to victimize
> yourself by using outdated, deficient, antediluvian technology that
> doesn't even possess the capability required for the product

What product? You're stupid homepage that basically shows off some
'potential' bad designs that no one is willing to pay you for (also
constructed entirely in flash)?

> and then
> you bitch and moan, claiming it's some master plan by some evul
> "thief" whose tryin to bring you down. Essentially you're buying 100%
> pure grape fruit juice and then bitching that it tastes sour. It's
> YOUR CHOICE to buy the sour juice, Dipshit, if you don't like it, get
> a sweeter flavor of juice rather than bitching at the juice
> manufacturer and claiming that it's their evul plan to not invest the
> research and money into developing an UNNATURAL sweet version of the
> fruit.

No, really, it's people like you who pedal closed systems such as flash
that enable certain thieves to create a single choice,
no-other-brand-of-juice environment.

When was the last time the thief actually invested in R&D?

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Brendan Gillatt
brendan {at} brendangillatt {dot} co {dot} uk
http://www.brendangillatt.co.uk
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