Posted by Wings on 10/13/07 02:18

"SpaceGirl" <nothespacegirlspam@subhuman.net> wrote in message
news:5mvk76FfjpchU1@mid.individual.net...
> Mark Goodge wrote:
>> On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 09:26:21 -0700, Travis Newbury put finger to
>> keyboard and typed:
>>
>>> On Oct 8, 10:56 am, "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4...@centralva.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes the deziner does not have ultimate control of the styling as with
>>>> flash, but then a potential customer doesn't have to be driving away
>>>> because of some poor design decisions made by the said deziner!
>>> And as time goes on, if that seems to be a problem with this site,
>>> and they start losing money because of the designer, they will either
>>> have to change or go out of business. I seriously doubt either will
>>> happen.
>>
>> "This site" being http://www.mortgagenews2.com, for the benefit of
>> anyone jumping into the thread at this point.
>>
>> Anyway, let's see how popular it is using some common freely-available
>> metrics:
>>
>> Google Pagerank: 0
>> Compete Rank: no data
>> Alexa Rank: 1,697,203
>> Netcraft ranking: 5,098,230
>>
>> Those figures are crap. A personal website might be that low; any
>> commercial site getting that little traffic is virtually dead.
>> However, that may not matter much if the income stream is good.
>>
>> To see what they're charging for advertising, I registered with the
>> site. That was a bit of a problem in itself: despite the fact that I
>> have a UK keyboard their interface is mapping the keypresses directly
>> to a US key map and hence when I typed certain characters on my
>> keyboard something different showed up on the screen.
>
> That's kinda weird... Flash doesn't contain any language stuff. I think
> your machine is buggered, or they really have done something funky inside
> that SWF (it's not default behavior).
>
>
> I agree with the rest of your comments though, but it's not the way
> ranking works. It's a combination of inbound links + content. Get enough
> inbound links, make sure the content is published as an alternative stream
> (RSS, or an alternative metatag), or provide a text version of the content
> on the side. Remember earlier I was talking about Flash just being one UI
> of many applicable to site - well these guys got that wrong in this case.
>
>> Incidentally, if you click on any of the news stories on the front
>> page of that site, what happens is that it opens another website
>> framed within its own Flash framework. That's usually prohibited by
>> most website Ts&Cs, and has been held to be a breach of copyright in
>> previous lawsuits. I wonder if the site's operators have considered
>> that? Maybe that's why they're happy with an inaccessible design and
>> low visitor numbers - trying to sneak below the radar of the sites
>> they're ripping off.
>
> Grey area, but I do sort of agree. It's pretty bad practice -- and
> wouldn't work in any of MY sites... I have breakout code in all my sites
> to prevent anything we work on being re-framed by a 3rd party.
>
I'm not advocating anything here - just want to alleviate my ignorance...
What's bad about your site being framed in someone else's site? Wouldn't
that increase your site's exposure? I understand that the other site could
be making some financial gain from using your site that way, but how does
that hurt you instead of help you?

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