Posted by Robert Baer on 10/20/07 06:39

rf wrote:

> "Robert Baer" <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote in message
> news:13hgthog4kk9ofc@corp.supernews.com...
>
>>Rob Waaijenberg wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Robert Baer schreef:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Rob Waaijenberg wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>When I tried it, it *was* recognized. At least enough so the validator
>>>>>could tell me it wasn't valid.
>>>
>>>
>>>>** Your experience differs from mine.
>>>> W3C eXplicitly stated that a doctype declaration was not present.
>>>> And about a year ago, it did not complain regarding the declaration.
>>>>
>>>
>>>That's one of the reasons we don't like to copy/paste.
>>>If you lead us to an online website there is a remarkably greater chance
>>>that we see the same warnings and errors.
>>
>>* NOW, the W3C site does *not* complain about no declaration, and i made
>>no changes.
>>
>>
>>>>>Didn't you know that there is a special frameset doctype?
>>>>>You'll find it here:
>>>>>http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/present/frames.html
>>>>
>>>>** No, i had no idea such "subterfuge" existed or was necessary.
>>>
>>>
>>>A frameset doctype for a frames-page qualifies as subterfuge????
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> To add to confusion, one source eXplicitlystates that the statement is
>>>>case sensitive, and that "HTML" must be in lower case.
>>>> Your reference displays upper case.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Is that capital X above intended or accidental?
>>
>>* Was intentional, used as a means to make greater emphasis to the
>>statement.
>> In my case, XTML is undesirable.
>>
>>
>>>Because the lower case requirement is true for XHTML. Funny huh?
>>>
>>>[snipped]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> So people tell me; all i know is that a few sites i visit use
>>>>framesets, that they work.
>>>
>>>
>>>That is not impossible, but there are a lot of pitfalls.
>>>Please google for "Frames are evil".
>>
>>* Read some of that; need example of an easy way to do same thing without
>>frames.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> Not knowing sh*t from shinola, i borrowed code from one of those sites
>>>>and discovered these complaints.
>>>> If there is a better way, i would need a working example to crib from.
>>>
>>>
>>>I would respectfully suggest that you learn html instead of borrowing
>>>code. It would make you less dependent on the quality of the borrowed
>>>code (or, of course, the absence of quality).
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I have too many other things that needs to be done; setting aside 300+
>>hours for learning HTML code is not an option.
>
>
> And I, for one, dont have more than this 15 seconds to help you out with a
> last century technology frames page, which I wont as I don't do frames.
>
Then *how* you do that kind of thing?
Have a sample i could look at / borrow?

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