Posted by 1001 Webs on 11/07/07 10:30

On Nov 7, 2:01 am, "Chris F.A. Johnson" <cfajohn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2007-11-07, 1001 Webs wrote:
>
>
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> > On Nov 7, 12:26 am, "Chris F.A. Johnson" <cfajohn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 2007-11-06, 1001 Webs wrote:
> >> > On Nov 6, 11:20 pm, "Chris F.A. Johnson" <cfajohn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> On 2007-11-06, 1001 Webs wrote:
> >> >> > On Nov 6, 10:01 pm, "Chris F.A. Johnson" <cfajohn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> On 2007-11-06, 1001 Webs wrote:
> >> >> >> > On Nov 6, 8:50 pm, "Chris F.A. Johnson" <cfajohn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> ...
> >> >> >> >> It is not hard to do the right thing with CSS. It is, perhaps, too
> >> >> >> >> easy to do the wrong thing.
>
> >> >> >> > That's the problem as I see it too.
> >> >> >> > For example. there are too many options just to assign font-size.
> >> >> >> > Why, in the name of God don't they stick to percentages or whatever?
> >> >> >> > , but c'mmon this is just absurd
> >> >> >> > Or a conspiracy ...
> >> >> >> > BTW, right now I am rewriting my style sheet with font-size: small;
> >> >> >> > etc., but I'm not that sure it will render well I I
>
> >> >> >> > have copied it from w3.org's front page:
> >> >> >> >http://www.w3.org
>
> >> >> >> > I can't go wrong that way, right?
>
> >> >> >> Right, if you use it the way they do, which means not for regular
> >> >> >> text. They use it only for things such as copyright notices and
> >> >> >> legalese.
>
> >> >> > I have to settle for something.
>
> >> >> No, you don't.
> >> > Uh?
>
> >> >> > What's your advice?
>
> >> >> Don't use anything; it's unnecessary.
> >> > Beg your pardon?
>
> >> Remove ALL font-size specifications. Then add the few (if any) that
> >> are needed to fix up the page.
> > I have already done that.
> > Here's how it looks now:
> > html, body {
> > margin: 0px;
> > background-color: #2E75D8;
> > line-height: 130%;
> > font-family: Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;
> > }
>
> Did you remove all 236 instances of font-size?
>
> >> >> > I tried with percentages and didn't look right, but I wasn't taking
> >> >> > into account inheritance ...
>
> >> >> URL?
> >> >http://www.1001webs.net
>
> >> I cannot read it; it is far too small.
> > What's your browser?
>
> It is too small in every broswer I have tried (except Lynx) because
> you use px sizes, all of which are wrong, and most of which are
> unnecessary.
>
> >> > The style sheet comes from a Template supplied by a third party.
>
> >> I hate to be a third party pooper, but you should find a different
> >> party.
> > Too late for that.
> > I have 10 people working upon that design, translating and else.
> > Whatever fix can be done it has to be through the stylesheet.
>
> Remove 90% of it.
>
> > In the near future we'll go XHTML tableless, but now there's no time
> > for transitions.
>
> Why XHTML? It is not supported by MSIE. You would be better off
> with HTML4.01.
>
> >> > Problem is that I have to use it for the front end if I want it to
> >> > look exactly the same as the backend (a phpCOIN installation), so that
> >> > it is consistent with the overall look of the site when a customer
> >> > logs in.
>
> >> Why do you want a consistently unreadable format?
> > The style sheet has to be applied to the CMS Template as well and
> > there are lots of classes related to different menus.
>
> Why do they all have to be different? In fact, in that mess of a
> stylesheet there is very little difference between them.
>
> > What I mean is that it has to work for both the front end and the back
> > end which is a CMS:
>
> All the more reason to get it right before you put it into the CMS.
>
>
>
> >http://www.1001webs.net/coinen/
>
> >> >> > Many people recommends percentages for html/body as a "global" setting
> >> >> > and then using ems from then on.
>
> >> >> The biggest mistake in CSS is specifying too much.
>
> >> > Then you're going to LOVE this style sheet;
> >> >http://www.1001webs.net/en/styles.css
>
> >> 39,764 bytes for a style sheet? That's bizarre.
>
> >> There are more than 240 font-family specifications, but there are
> >> only three different specifications.
>
> >> 90% (or more) of the stylesheet is redundant.
>
> >> After removing all 236 font-size specs, the page is readable and
> >> looks almost good. Removing all 60 instances of 'text-align:
> >> center;' would make the page even better.
> > Probably.
> > I finish trimming it and I'll try that as well.
>
> Get rid of the 176 instances of
> font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
> and put it, once, in "body { ... }".
>
> There are many other similar things you can do.
>
> > Haven't uploaded yet because a few things are oversized and out of
> > place.
>
> What is oversized? If it is oversized without any font-size specs,
> your browser needs adjusting.

I mean oversized when it doesnt fit in the boxes is supposed to.
I think is almost done now.

Thank you, Chris.
You are cordially invited to the Grand BBQ to celebrate 1001webs
launch.

.... some time 1st quarter next year ...

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