Posted by Steve on 12/20/07 21:33

"Sanders Kaufman" <bucky@kaufman.net> wrote in message
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> "Erwin Moller"
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>> Yes, that is the problem if you want to defens the statement that
>> complexity can only be created by something more complex.
>> It is an endless loop.
>
> Such is the infinite nature of the universe.
>
> --
> All things tend toward entropy.
> Entropy tends toward chaos.
> Chaos tends toward all things.

chaos is a relative and ficticious term. there certainly is randomness in
the universe, however there is NO chaos. chaos is associated with the
break-down of laws being enforced on things. the laws of physics are
constant. they only change based on our understanding of those laws. in
that, there can be no chaos.

as for entropy, it tends toward the dispertion of energy...nothing more. the
only relationship is that it occurs at a greater frequency the more ordered,
or complex, a thing is. as for *trying* to related that to chaos, good luck!
even in entropy, the path of dispertion is *always* the quickest
route...meaning, my heated house will lose heat unevenly if i open a window.
so, even entropy itself follows the order inherent in physics. again, in
complete absense of chaos.

finally, not ALL things tend toward entropy...just energy. lest you think
that the evolution of life forms began as infinitely complex and have
entropied to human form now. that would put you in agreement with the
op...that everything complex was begat by something more complex. that is
just NOT something seen in nature.

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