Posted by Steve on 01/01/08 20:39

"Jerry Stuckle" <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote in message
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> Steve wrote:
>> "Jerry Stuckle" <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote in message
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>>> Steve wrote:
>>>> "Jerry Stuckle" <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote in message
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>>>>> Steve wrote:
>>>>>> "Michael Fesser" <netizen@gmx.de> wrote in message
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>>>>>>> .oO(Logos)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Dec 13, 3:16 pm, Michael Fesser <neti...@gmx.de> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> At least when working with objects. But nevertheless
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> $foo = new Test();
>>>>>>>>> $a = $foo;
>>>>>>>>> $b = &$foo;
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> are still different things, even in PHP 5. In some particular
>>>>>>>>> situations
>>>>>>>>> this might become an issue.
>>>>>>>> Oooo...errr...ummm...could someone explain how exactly those are
>>>>>>>> different when using PHP5, then, please? If everything is done by
>>>>>>>> reference for objects, then to me $a and $b both look like pointers
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> an object.
>>>>>>> Don't confuse pointers with references, they are entirely different
>>>>>>> things. PHP doesn't know pointers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And correctly spoken objects in PHP 5 are _not_ passed by reference
>>>>>>> (at
>>>>>>> least it's not what PHP calls a reference), even if it's still
>>>>>>> mentioned
>>>>>>> that way on many websites. But it's wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Internally objects are represented by a handle (a simple number),
>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>> is what is moved around when you assign objects to variables, copy
>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>> or pass them to a function. You're never working directly with the
>>>>>>> object itself, but with its handle. Of course usually you won't
>>>>>>> notice
>>>>>>> that, because it's handled transparently by PHP.
>>>>>> michael, for people who come from a c/c++ background, what you've
>>>>>> described is *exactly* a pointer. the only difference in php is that
>>>>>> rather than the handle pointing to a memory address where information
>>>>>> is stored, this php handle points to a symbol table entry where
>>>>>> information is stored.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Wrong again, Stevie. A C++ pointer is not the same as a C++
>>>>> reference. And C doesn't have references, just as PHP doesn't have
>>>>> pointers.
>>>>>
>>>>>> in php, a reference (or byref) behaves *IDENTICALLY* to a c/c++
>>>>>> pointer. there are somethings that you cannot do with this reference
>>>>>> in php that you could in other languages, however, the nature of the
>>>>>> beast is the same. i know that a reference in php is really just an
>>>>>> alias of the symbol table entry, but really that just seems a matter
>>>>>> of symantics to me. i don't care where things are stored at such a
>>>>>> low level when i'm writing in a scripting language. i care about
>>>>>> behaviors.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Wrong again. They behave much differently.
>>>> read, jerry, read. show me how in *PHP* the behavior is different.
>>>> you've tried before and failed. i'm not talking about the differences
>>>> in c/c++/c# (as they *are* different there)...we're talking about php.
>>> Stoopid. Show me where PHP has pointers. It doesn't.
>>>
>>> And you're the one who claimed that references and pointers behave
>>> identically in C/C++. Wrong again.
>>
>> nope...i just said they were different in c, c++, and c#. i said for
>> *PHP* the behavior is essentially the same. i never said php had
>> pointers...but that the behavioral description is similar to
>> pointers...and gave the caveats about the actual terms and definitions so
>> that is was clear that there is technical difference.
>>
>> learn to read.
>
> "i said for *PHP* the behavior is essentially the same."
>
> "i never said php had pointers"
>
> You're so dense you can't even see the contradiction on your own
> statements.

*behavior*...context clue, dumbass.

> You're just a stoopid troll, Stevie, who uses people in a desperate
> attempt to get some kind of acceptance. You don't use your real name here
> because you're so afraid people will find out you're not really a
> programmer.

is that right.

> But you're stoopidity has given you away once again. Any programmer with
> more than two weeks of *real experience* in C++ programming knows the
> difference between pointers and references - and knows how wrong you are.

php != c++ ... your point is moot.

> You're the worst kind of loser.

is that anything like a dipshit who keeps posting the same drivel day after
day just to have someone to chat with? sounds more like you jerry than me.

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