Posted by dorayme on 10/05/73 12:01

In article <Xns9A314F0545078nanopandaneredbojias@85.214.90.236>,
Neredbojias <monstersquasher@yahoo.com> wrote:

> GMT dorayme scribed:
>
> >> >> To state there are 2 major qualities to a web page - design and
> >> >> engineering - and it takes both to make a good one
> >> >
> >> > Well, if you think there is some distinction between two that is
> >> > not normally obvious, you need to explain it clearly. I can't see
> >> > that you have.
> >>
> >> Go back to the cup-with-a-handle thing. The shapes of the cup and
> >> handle are a design thing ....However, exactly how these goals are achieved at the
> >> fundamental level (-is the ceramic strong enough and watertight and
> >> amenable to mass production precesses, etc.) is engineering.
> >
> >
> > You have lost me, I am not kidding. It is not that I don't
> > understand the bits and pieces in your paragraph. It is trying to
> > understand themas a whole. The shape of a cup will influence
> > whether it leaks - it needs a bottom. Is this design or
> > engineering?
>

Is including the bottom of a cup a design or engineering decision?


> Uh, let's try a car. A designer designs a car. It's to be a sports car
> and should be small and light but powerful. He determines the shape and
> can guage the size and appx weight. He decides the engine should be about
> 280 hp or more to overcome the necessary weight, wind resistance, etc., of
> the impending vehicle. However, there is a limited anount of room under
> the hood and no currently-produced engine fits the bill. Ergo, an engine
> must be _engineered_ to meet the requirements _if possible_ or the designer
> must be informed that a change in engine-compartment size is really
> necessary.
>
> Make sense now?

No.

I understand what goes through the mind of an engineer designing
something. I just don't understand your categories. You seem not
to understand the idea of functional design. Perhaps you have a
coat-of-paint theory about these things: as if there is the
boring old bits about making something and then there is the
aethetics, some functionally irrelevant aspect like the actual
tint or colour it. You identify aesthetics with the most
superficial but, in fact, least really aesthetic aspects.

And, no, this is not about semantics, it is about a whole aspect
of design that you seem to leave completely out no matter what
your words.

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dorayme

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