Posted by Neredbojias on 08/23/05 14:13

With neither quill nor qualm, Jukka K. Korpela quothed:

> Neredbojias <neredbojias@neredbojias.com> wrote:
>
> > With neither quill nor qualm, JohnW quothed:
> >
> >> BTW, I am enjoying this Usenet - finally found people to talk to about
> >> HTML, CSS, etc. I'm single, retired (no office compatriots) and
> >> maintain web sites for non-profits - none of my friends have any idea
> >> of what I'm talking about in the web world! {g}
> >
> > You're lucky. None of my friends know what I'm talking about ever.
>
> What's this "friend" thing I keep hearing about?
>
> I have a strange feeling that to obtain and especially to maintain a
> "friend", I would have to refrain from talking about HTML, CSS, or the web
> at all in the presence of the said "friend". This makes the usefulness of a
> "friend" (not to mention multiple copies of "friend"!) highly questionable.

Probably true. When you espouse what appears to be your favorite
discipline, I have a feeling that people get funny looks on their faces
even if I can't see them. It's a cryptic phenomenon and often somewhat
mystic.

> Besides, rumors claim that many a "friend" actually carries viruses!

Particularly the young ones.

> (There are many other questions I'd like to ask about, like "money",
> "vacation", and "sleep", but right now I'm mostly puzzled by the
> question why some people seem to spell "SOAP" in all lowercase.)

Perhaps their keyboards are broken. I go through keyboards like, er,
soap.

>
> Returning to the original question, the short answer is "no". There's no
> decent way to fool IE into creating a nicely-printable or scrollable table
> the way we are supposed to be able to do with <tbody> and friends together
> with some nice cool CSS. It's possible to do something dirty on screen by
> using e.g. iframe or object with suitable attributes for the table data and
> some construct like a single-row table above the scrollable area. But
> making the columns line up is just too awkward when you have two separate
> tables. (Setting widths in pixels is a problem, not a solution.)

Well....okay. However, someday I would like to explore this more fully.
About 2 weeks ago or so some guy said his *text* was expanding a table
cell in a way I couldn't fathom. Didn't have the time to look into it
then because my personal chronology revolves around money, sleep, and
vacational aspirations.

> Anyway, there's a old test or demo
> http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/html/iframe.html#sim-thead
> which hopefully illustrates what I was talking about.
>
> To be honest, even to IE, I have to admit that IE understands _some_ of the
> advanced table markup that was added to HTML recently (in 1997). IE even
> renders <tfoot> below the <tbody> as required, even when <tfoot> appears
> before <tbody> in markup as it should by the spec. IE even lets you style a
> <tbody> element. And IE supports the scrolling-related properties in CSS to
> some extent, so that you can make a <div> element scrollable. But it
> refuses to support them for <tbody>, which is what we really wanted and
> needed.

IE surprises me sometimes (-as does Mozilla in the opposite way,) but it
is still pathetically flawed.

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Neredbojias
Contrary to popular belief, it is believable.

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