Posted by Neredbojias on 09/07/05 18:09

With neither quill nor qualm, Els quothed:

> Neredbojias wrote:
>
> > With neither quill nor qualm, Els quothed:
> >
> >> Els wrote:
> >>
> >>> Neredbojias wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> With neither quill nor qualm, kchayka quothed:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Neredbojias wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> text-indent: -5000px; /* hide text from css enabled browsers */
> >>>>>
> >>>>> That's a method of image-replacement, one of the more bad ones, methinks
> >>>>> (no method is actually good, some are just less bad than others). This
> >>>>> one leaves the visitor with nothing when image loading is disabled. :(
> >>>>
> >>>> I'd say bad indeed. Why not just display:none; it if nothing else?
> >>>
> >>> If it's used to hide text from screen-readers:
> >>
> >> Make that "if it's used to hide text from graphical browsers but
> >> display it for screen-readers:"
> >>
> >>> several (if not most)
> >>> screenreaders will parse the display:none; style as well.
> >
> > But a screen-reader wouldn't parse the text-indent line?
>
> Nope. A screen-reader just reads out what is there, in the order it is
> in. It doesn't tell the reader: "the next paragraph is a little bit to
> the right". It also does't tell you if something is placed off-screen.
> I use position:absolute;top:-1000px;left:-100px; for 'invisible links'
> myself. I guess that ultimately, a screen-reader can do a lot, but not
> detect your screensize and/or window size, font-size and scrollbar
> position, and calculate whether a certain position of an element is
> still visible to the visitor or not.
> I guess they could implement that too, but so far it doesn't look like
> they did.

Strange. You'd think they would considering the things for which
they're most likely used.

>
> You can download Jaws and try for yourself. It's an expensive program,
> but there is a free '40-minute-mode', wich means you can use it for 40
> minutes a day. Enough time to test the work of one day, usually :-)

I actually did that some years ago but it scared me.

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Neredbojias
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