Posted by Oli Filth on 09/30/08 11:37

askMe said the following on 16/01/2006 01:04:
> David Wahler wrote:
>> The behavior of the user's browser and/or media player is solely
>> determined by what gets output by your PHP code.
>
> Yes. I realize that. That is why I wanted a bona fide and tested PHP
> object that the open sourcers have tried, validated and distributed as
> final -- so that I don't have to waste time on this sort of trivial
> stuff. Also, that is why I prefer to just print the code and let the
> browser decide how to handle the tags that get printed instead of <?php
> variable output?>.

What does that even mean? <?php echo $variable ?> outputs the content of
$variable; no involvement with the client/browser whatsoever. The
browser knows nothing about PHP.


> I realize this goes against the norm. Most
> programmers that I know prefer to php print only the variable's value
> at run time and feel that offers better encapsulation.

Better "encapsulation" than what?


>> Any objects or
>> whatever you create in PHP will have no bearing whatsoever on what the
>> browser gets - only the end result (the outputted HTML) is important.
>>
>
> Ordinarily, if you can get it to work in IE, the
> other browsers follow suit and handle background problems for you.

Well, if you think that's the case, I suggest you do a little more
research on embedding media in HTML, before even thinking about PHP.


>> If you can't get the video to play properly in a static HTML page, PHP
>> is going to be of no use to you.
>
> The video works. The mpg is embedded. It cuts off due to a timeout
> limitation in PHP's default server settings.

Please explain how you think that a PHP timeout setting (which controls
the maximum length of time PHP will execute a script before timing out)
has an effect on the client playing a video?


>> and you
>> should try using <object>
>
> I agree. That's how I ended up in this forum. All the examples of the
> object tags I found did not work because I am developing in PHP. The
> classid's were different from year to year and from browser to browser.
> Guess its the nature of the beast.

The classid is a client-side, HTML attribute of the HTML <object>
element; nothing whatsoever to do with PHP.


>> -- but none of this has anything at all to do
>> with PHP.
>
> Beg to differ there. Javascript doesn't have this problem. Java
> doesn't have this problem. C++ doesn't have this problem. PHP does.
> The PHP objects address dealing with server side conversions requiring
> config mod installations and a gazillion other tweaks.

What are you talking about? If it is possible to create a static HTML
page that works, then you can get PHP (or any server-side language, for
that matter) to produce identical HTML, and it will work. PHP settings
have nothing to do with how the client plays video.


> I shouldn't
> have to do so much research to play a video on a web page. If you
> think I'm wrong, check out the prices of the applications that provide
> solutions for dealing with this problem.

This is a problem with cross-browser compatibility, not a problem with PHP.


> please don't play it down as not being a PHP issue.

It's not a PHP issue.


--
Oli

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