Posted by Mark Parnell on 09/07/05 03:59

Previously in alt.html, dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> said:

> A misunderstanding perhaps? Or a desire to see the worst? Your
> remark is not appropriate to my comment (in spite of correctly
> identifying the cons) but this may be my fault too. I was
> referring to pros rather than the cons.

I know. And my point was that I don't see any pros.

> And your remark about
> the myriad of scrollbars is unfair. There need not be a myriad
> of them at all.

For most framed sites, there does. Because I need the text fairly large
to be able to read it, and if there are no scrollbars (e.g. on the
menu), I can't get to half the menu items.

> This is the unfairness of inappropriate
> exaggeration. I forget whether the scholastics had a fancy Latin
> name for this reasoning mistake? Let us call it something with
> an Australian flavour - what about a "Bruce"? You have committed
> the Fallacy of Bruce.

*sniff* I miss brucie. :-(

> Why is it absurd? You are in the middle of a long page and you
> can't see any nav info and other comforting things?

You press "home" on your keyboard. It's all back again.

> You panic.
> You get an anxiety attack. You take pills but they take time to
> act. You are nervous. You spill things on the keyboard.

Unplug the modem and go have a lie down.

> You
> don't want to use the home button and lose your place and the

OK, so (on Windows at least, and let's face it - Windows users are the
only ones likely to have this issue) scroll up to the top of the page,
but don't release the scrollbar. You can have a good look at the
navigation. When you're done, move the mouse back over to the left away
from the scrollbar, and the page will jump back to where you were before
you started scrolling. Amazing! ;-)

> page designer does not want to put in bits and pieces of nav and
> other stuff in the middle to make you feel comfortable.

Understandably.

> This is absurd. This is weird! You don't think so?

Absolutely. I think it's very weird that you feel that way.

> Of course, as I said, we have become accustomed to this
> craziness... OK my turn to have done a Bruce... But underneath
> all this Brucing, there is a point that non fundamentalists will
> see... :)

Sadly, I fail to see it.

Anyway as previously noted, you can still keep the menu on the screen
without using frames, if that's the issue.

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Mark Parnell
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