Posted by Els on 09/07/05 06:09

Neredbojias wrote:

> With neither quill nor qualm, Els quothed:
>
>> Els wrote:
>>
>>> Neredbojias wrote:
>>>
>>>> With neither quill nor qualm, kchayka quothed:
>>>>
>>>>> Neredbojias wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> text-indent: -5000px; /* hide text from css enabled browsers */
>>>>>
>>>>> That's a method of image-replacement, one of the more bad ones, methinks
>>>>> (no method is actually good, some are just less bad than others). This
>>>>> one leaves the visitor with nothing when image loading is disabled. :(
>>>>
>>>> I'd say bad indeed. Why not just display:none; it if nothing else?
>>>
>>> If it's used to hide text from screen-readers:
>>
>> Make that "if it's used to hide text from graphical browsers but
>> display it for screen-readers:"
>>
>>> several (if not most)
>>> screenreaders will parse the display:none; style as well.
>
> But a screen-reader wouldn't parse the text-indent line?

Nope. A screen-reader just reads out what is there, in the order it is
in. It doesn't tell the reader: "the next paragraph is a little bit to
the right". It also does't tell you if something is placed off-screen.
I use position:absolute;top:-1000px;left:-100px; for 'invisible links'
myself. I guess that ultimately, a screen-reader can do a lot, but not
detect your screensize and/or window size, font-size and scrollbar
position, and calculate whether a certain position of an element is
still visible to the visitor or not.
I guess they could implement that too, but so far it doesn't look like
they did.

You can download Jaws and try for yourself. It's an expensive program,
but there is a free '40-minute-mode', wich means you can use it for 40
minutes a day. Enough time to test the work of one day, usually :-)

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