Posted by Jedi Fans on 09/07/05 09:49

Els wrote:
> Neredbojias wrote:
>
>> With neither quill nor qualm, Els quothed:
>>
>>> Els wrote:
>>>
>>>> Neredbojias wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> With neither quill nor qualm, kchayka quothed:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Neredbojias wrote:
>>>>>>> text-indent: -5000px; /* hide text from css enabled browsers */
>>>>>> That's a method of image-replacement, one of the more bad ones, methinks
>>>>>> (no method is actually good, some are just less bad than others). This
>>>>>> one leaves the visitor with nothing when image loading is disabled. :(
>>>>> I'd say bad indeed. Why not just display:none; it if nothing else?
>>>> If it's used to hide text from screen-readers:
>>> Make that "if it's used to hide text from graphical browsers but
>>> display it for screen-readers:"
>>>
>>>> several (if not most)
>>>> screenreaders will parse the display:none; style as well.
>> But a screen-reader wouldn't parse the text-indent line?
>
> Nope. A screen-reader just reads out what is there, in the order it is
> in. It doesn't tell the reader: "the next paragraph is a little bit to
> the right". It also does't tell you if something is placed off-screen.
> I use position:absolute;top:-1000px;left:-100px; for 'invisible links'
> myself. I guess that ultimately, a screen-reader can do a lot, but not
> detect your screensize and/or window size, font-size and scrollbar
> position, and calculate whether a certain position of an element is
> still visible to the visitor or not.
> I guess they could implement that too, but so far it doesn't look like
> they did.
>
> You can download Jaws and try for yourself. It's an expensive program,
> but there is a free '40-minute-mode', wich means you can use it for 40
> minutes a day. Enough time to test the work of one day, usually :-)
>
try FANGS, a Mozilla Firefox extension which outputs text which it would
be speaking instead of speaking it ;) much easier lol, plus free ;)
<http://www.standards-schmandards.com/fangs/>

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