Posted by dorayme on 09/08/05 10:51

> From: Mark Parnell <webmaster@clarkecomputers.com.au>
>
> IIRC the only positive you have put forward for frames is the menu
> staying static while the content scrolls. As I said before, I personally
> don't think that it *is* a positive. I don't use position: fixed for the
> same reason.

You do not see it as useful to you personally. This is different
to it not being useful to other people. It simply isn't good
enough for you that frames are a bad idea generally. Every
single thing about them needs to be damned eh?

And you give a particularly unsatisfactory reason for refraining
from putting in a facility like fixedness (never mind frames for
this point). People besides yourself might very well find it
useful. Perhaps you know most people don't (I doubt it). But my
point here does not rest on this.

About the fixedness of the left nav being the only thing: I
thought I had mentioned it being easy for me to work on such a
site as I have to often update one significantly and don't have
to bother about the markup for the largely unchanging menu, that
it is easier text on the eye and my brain for the right hand
pages content... I know, not even this would be admitted by you
to be a pro because you have alternative techniques (superior
ones doubtless, ones that I might get one day). But then you
miss the fact that without knowing php one can do variously
modest useful things. No, I know. Even the time saved not
knowing things is not a positive. I should damn well make time
and save time in the future. Alright already, I will!

My view is that it is not as simple a matter as you make out.
Yes, non frames is certainly on balance the way to go in case
anyone is tempted (for most sites) and perhaps we should leave
it here.

dorayme

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