Posted by Jonathan N. Little on 11/11/05 18:03

Erwin Moller wrote:
> Jonathan N. Little wrote:
>
>
>>Erwin Moller wrote:
>><snip>
>>
>>>Well, that was my though too, but I do it like this for ages, and it is
>>>also the official way to do it.
>>>It always worked on all browsers and platforms.
>>>
>>>Except now on IE6/W2000, and to make things worse, if I move the <a
>>>name="edituser"> to another spot in the HTML, it works!
>>>
>>>So I 'solved' the problem.
>>>
>>>I am sure this must be (yet another) bug in IE6.
>>
>>No, I bet it is your code,
>
>
>
> Excuse me?
> Well, you sound awefully convinced for a guy that didn't see 1 line of
> actual code.
> Why are you so sure about it?

1) MSIE has recognize hashes even from IDs version 4+, NN4x would only
on named A elements

2) Without example code, yes it's wild guesses, the number of times in
this NG we hear 'Help but cannot supply code because...' Can you not
duplicate the problem in a sample without confidential content for
debugging?

3) You where the one who brought up the issue of query string with hash
as possible cause:

> I think it's just because of the querystring in the url
>> "?userid=1#edituser"
>> It probably parses literally, as in userid is "1#edituser".
>> Maybe your script can be changed to do something with that? (no idea
>> really)

so my mention of coding in PHP was that I have generated urls with query
strings with hashes with not problems with said browser...in tables,
div's, p's.

4) One possible cause more than one instance of 'id' on the page.

5) Overlooked markup errors, IE is less likely to complain but try to
'guess' the authors intension guess incorrectly and foul up something
along the way, another pair if eyes are great for finding these errors

> if we could stop this silly round-robin and
>
>>see the offending URL, huh?
>
>
> If you read this thread, you could have noticed I am not allowed to let
> strangers into this project: non-disclosure stuff.
> Sorry about that.
> I don't like it either.
> And cutting the page out of its context to present it to you all is not
> possible, because this (bug I think) only happens when the page is builded
> the first time.
> If I reload it does follow the #blabla.
>
> So I have to let you in the project, and the place where the problem arrises
> is deep into some admin-part, where nobody is welcome. :-(
>
>
>
> I say this because I am almost finished
>
>>converting my site to PHP (maybe by this weekend hooray) and generate
>>urls with query strings with hashes and have tested with MSIE on Windows
>>2000 with no problem.
>
>
> Well good for you.
> My site is in php too.
> But php have nothing to do with this.
> This is IE.

With a mix of markup and markup inserted by script, the likelihood of a
markup errors greater. PHP & ASP where you can inject here and there it
is easy for an error to occur, that was my point where PHP could be the
problem....

>>You have made a mistake.
>
>
> Again: Why are you so sure about that without seeing 1 line?
> Because it works on your setup?
> Does that mean that it works everywhere?
>
> FYI: I am not new to the game: I have over 20 years of
> programmingexperience, made a zillion database driven websites, and write
> html with the same ease as I speak. I mastered many languages.
> I do not want to brag how great I am, I just want to make clear to you I
> have seen my share of bugs, and get a little irritated by your
> overconfident claim that I made a mistake.
> Do you have any idea how much update and bugfixes IE had over the last 5
> years?
> You should not claim I made a mistake without knowledge (actual html): it is
> ignorant and honestly: stupid. It irritates me (you noticed). ;-)
>

Again, not challenging your skills, just pointing out more likely source
of your problem and how not having something to look at hampers the
situation.

>>>Personally I would like to target only internetbrowsers, but the company
>>>I develop this app for thinks IE6 is a browser too.
>>>;-)
>>
>>Can be done, I dislike IE and only use for testing, but my only
>>frustration with the browser is with CSS and styling, not the markup. IE
>>is like an old Chevy, it won't look pretty but you can though the worst
>>crap at it and it keeps on running.
>
>
> IE keeps running?
> When it don't crash it renders something most of the time. True.
> Seriously: I haven't seen much worse crap than that piece from M$.
> Maybe Outlook/exchange are worse. not sure...

No fan of M$ at all, since IE can parse such tag soup debugging can be a
real PITA.


> Anyway, I do not want to start a fight here.
> Thanks for your response.

Same here, would really like to help.


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Jonathan
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